Mr. Bourdain's previous disdain for this city makes me want to write him a snotty email and tell him not to come here unless he comes through me. Maybe I'd bring coder along to temper my attitude.
Mr. Bourdain's previous disdain for this city makes me want to write him a snotty email and tell him not to come here unless he comes through me. Maybe I'd bring coder along to temper my attitude.
I could probably Google this, but figured I'd ask instead. What about this disdain?
That should be interesting. I few months ago, along with Mc Sweeny's, I launched a new magazine called Lucky Peach which is a collaboration of Anthony Bourdain and David Chang. It's a quarterly and is on it's third issue. Doing extrememly well which is great - it is really quirky and for the extreme foodie. A nice read, although I have had numerous calls that people are offended by the "f" word being used. That cracks me up as Anthony Bourdain = F Word. Duh!
You catch many more bees with honey, than you do with vinegar.
Whats funny is I am surprised you have never heard me say this, we probably don't see each other enough. Since I am in sales, it's pretty much my mantra.
However, I am entitled to quasi-irrational ire at people that I will never have an interaction with. Let's call it therapy.
Mr. Bourdain's previous disdain for this city makes me want to write him a snotty email and tell him not to come here unless he comes through me. Maybe I'd bring coder along to temper my attitude.
I could probably Google this, but figured I'd ask instead. What about this disdain?
Oh, well, then there's this doozy: “Honestly, I’ve never even bothered with Philly,” says bad boy chef/author/TV host Anthony Bourdain to the Philadelphia Weekly's Josh Valocchi. "It seems to me it's a two-horse town: Starr and Perrier."
Oh, well, then there's this doozy: “Honestly, I’ve never even bothered with Philly,” says bad boy chef/author/TV host Anthony Bourdain to the Philadelphia Weekly's Josh Valocchi. "It seems to me it's a two-horse town: Starr and Perrier."
Oh, well, then there's this doozy: “Honestly, I’ve never even bothered with Philly,” says bad boy chef/author/TV host Anthony Bourdain to the Philadelphia Weekly's Josh Valocchi. "It seems to me it's a two-horse town: Starr and Perrier."
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goes to show he hasnt got a staff that actually does research. or that he doesnt even read the NY Times, which has spent plenty focus on Philly's restaurants. Besides, if he wanted to pull off a statement like that, at least say : Starr and Garces. Perrier hasnt been more than a lingerer for the last decade. Oh, did he overlook the James Beard foundation awards for Philly chefs?
This town has plenty of story. Their excuse of not finding a hook to this place, is weak. IF only to cover the piazza (yeah, its a douchy place, but admit that Bart turned northern liberties into a place to go, not a place to buy drugs) Garces, Solomonov, Starr, and beyond that. Even just venturing in the Standard Tap, or Monks Cafe, which may or may not be the Grand Daddy to the brew pub menus in town. I think Philly is king of the Gastro Pub, and honestly maybe too much of it around. You start eating the same stinking food over and over again, nothing seems exciting, but its still good, better tasting food than in some other places iv'e been.
LA is king of the low brow, NY of the high, San Fran has its freshness, Boston Seafood, Philly = Beer food. Good quality beer, and the food that goes along with it. Its why places like Pez Loco is more exciting than another Johnny Brendas, or Kraftwork, or Draft house (and I like to eat at all three places, but I also like to see people be more adventurous at a low price than a burger, humus, chicken sandwich, mussels, and flatbread pizza).
If he comes, great, if he doesn't, who cares. This town has great food and Bourdain's crew will feed into his own hypocrisy which he has done in the past and he himself has acknowledged.
I totally get the 'Disdain for Bourdain' (now THERE'S the first stanza of some bad poetry) but ultimately don't share that sentiment and kinda like the guy.
Seriously, what should he say to make people happy? That everything is interesting/wonderful/compelling? That would be both a lie and VERY bad television. I think he just pretty much calls things as he sees them in an isolated, edited slice of time. He's not doing a Chamber of Commerce promo.
Look, I know Miami REAL well and didn't find it much different than his (prior) take on Philly. He made fun of the tourist crap--perhaps in a cliched way but still kinda accurate--and then went off to eat barbecued goat in Little Haiti with actual locals who had no idea who he was. I like that.
If I wanted nothing but sunshiny, feel good travelogues I can watch Rick Steevs traipsing around Switzerland, y'know?
Bourdain can definitely be an adjective that pertains to male anatomy and rhymes with "stick" but he also has genuine chops in the industry and (I think) makes for pretty good TV.
I think he'll be fair with his next Philly go-round. Hopefully, anyway.
I totally get the 'Disdain for Bourdain' (now THERE'S the first stanza of some bad poetry) but ultimately don't share that sentiment and kinda like the guy.
Seriously, what should he say to make people happy? That everything is interesting/wonderful/compelling? That would be both a lie and VERY bad television. I think he just pretty much calls things as he sees them in an isolated, edited slice of time. He's not doing a Chamber of Commerce promo.
Look, I know Miami REAL well and didn't find it much different than his (prior) take on Philly. He made fun of the tourist crap--perhaps in a cliched way but still kinda accurate--and then went off to eat barbecued goat in Little Haiti with actual locals who had no idea who he was. I like that.
If I wanted nothing but sunshiny, feel good travelogues I can watch Rick Steevs traipsing around Switzerland, y'know?
Bourdain can definitely be an adjective that pertains to male anatomy and rhymes with "stick" but he also has genuine chops in the industry and (I think) makes for pretty good TV.
I think he'll be fair with his next Philly go-round. Hopefully, anyway.
Completely agree. Honestly, i think there's a good story in food to be discovered and make a great show here. I think it'll take someone like him to paint a good picture of us on a food show. Previous hosts have at best scraped the surface.
If I hear of a great place to eat I always wonder if I should tell everyone and risk never getting a table or tell no one and it goes out of business. (not that it's all up to me)
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If anyone were asking me, I'd say the story should be the BYO phenomenon. You could eat through all levels of food. Take your $50 bottle of wine down town then a 6 pack of tiquate to the little Porto Rican place up North. As far as I know, Philly is really the only place that openly allows it.
I've come to the conclusion that alot of people dislike other people who speak their mind.
For whatever reason.
Personally, I like people who say things I disagree with.
If anyone were asking me, I'd say the story should be the BYO phenomenon. You could eat through all levels of food. Take your $50 bottle of wine down town then a 6 pack of tiquate to the little Porto Rican place up North. As far as I know, Philly is really the only place that openly allows it.
It's a work-around for our bizarre and expensive liquor laws. I'd rather just have a restaurant pick the wine selection for me, they'd do a better job if they really cared.
If anyone were asking me, I'd say the story should be the BYO phenomenon. You could eat through all levels of food. Take your $50 bottle of wine down town then a 6 pack of tiquate to the little Porto Rican place up North. As far as I know, Philly is really the only place that openly allows it.
It's a work-around for our bizarre and expensive liquor laws. I'd rather just have a restaurant pick the wine selection for me, they'd do a better job if they really cared.
They may do a better job, however, a little place with 12 seats could never stay open if they had to buy a liquor license. Plus, it's really allowed people like me (on a budget) to explore the the more expensive places in town on a semi-regular basis. I'd never pay $20 and up for a meal if I were also paying $30 for a bottle of wine on top of it.
Restaurant wine is such a rip off.
I drink what I like, and I bring it with me whenever possible.
I could not care less what some snob faced guy thinks I should drink. It's a scam, to get people to believe they don't know enough to know what they like. (oh yeah, and to sell wine with ridiculous mark ups.)
Sommelier's are like diamonds, an invented importance.
Restaurant wine is such a rip off.
I drink what I like, and I bring it with me whenever possible.
I could not care less what some snob faced guy thinks I should drink. It's a scam, to get people to believe they don't know enough to know what they like. (oh yeah, and to sell wine with ridiculous mark ups.)
Sommelier's are like diamonds, an invented importance.
Agreed.
I listened to an interesting piece on this recently. A couple blind taste tests revealed that trained industry sommeliers can get two pours of the same $10 wine, one they are told is $10 and one they are told is $30. They will overwhelmingly pick the more expensive wine and been found to *invent* differences in the characteristics of the same wine in order to explain the price difference. Pretty wild.
Makes me feel a little better about not spending bajillions of dollars on beer pairing dinners, its so subjective.
I expected to hear nothing about my comment, other than the sound of all the "foodies" falling off their chairs.
Glad I'm not the only one.
I can only say that a place with good wine does a better job than I do, even when I am at a decent liquor store (like Total Wine). I've had bad wine out too, but it is sort of like saying I can pick better beer than the bar owner. Maybe in some cases but not all. Plus then it is a separate trip (and in PA finding a store, and one that is open is a real pain). Also, then I am committed to drinking a whole bottle, I may have just wanted a glass.
As for the expense, I do wish PA were like other sane state, where a few hundred dollars gets you a license and then you can have a 12 person restaurant with an interesting wine selection. That is where the PLCB acts as a high barrier to entry for a lot of interesting restaurant/bar concepts I've been to in other states.
Le sigh. I stopped at the Total Wine on Naaman's Road on Friday. I had to limit myself to twenty minutes in there, otherwise it could have been a two hour trip (and much more painful to my wallet).
That being said, I hate dropping $40.00 in a restaurant on a bottle that costs $9.99 in the store. Because dangit, I WILL drink it all after paying said $40.00.
Andrew Zimmern did a nice segment about Philly on bizarre foods.
Bourdain's disdain (see how i rhymed there?) for the gastropub is well documented so i dont think that would work. A BYO theme, however, would be the way to go. Another interesting topic would be to explore how the Italians are being replaced by the Vietnamese in the 'Italian' market. I'd like
to see him do a segment with Sonny D'Angelo (the game butcher) too. I bet they'd get along famously.
Another interesting topic would be to explore how the Italians are being replaced by the Vietnamese in the 'Italian' market.
I think that's a really cool idea. Some of what I've seen done about the Italian Market seems like it's coming from a time warp, without recognizing how much of it has also become an Asian and Latin food enclave.
I'd compare it to what has happened to "Little Havana" in Miami, which ceased to be the main Cuban enclave years ago (it's far more populated with Central Americans now) but food reviews and travelogues invariably cling to the outdated perception of it.
Restaurant wine is such a rip off.
I drink what I like, and I bring it with me whenever possible.
I could not care less what some snob faced guy thinks I should drink. It's a scam, to get people to believe they don't know enough to know what they like. (oh yeah, and to sell wine with ridiculous mark ups.)
Sommelier's are like diamonds, an invented importance.
Agreed.
I listened to an interesting piece on this recently. A couple blind taste tests revealed that trained industry sommeliers can get two pours of the same $10 wine, one they are told is $10 and one they are told is $30. They will overwhelmingly pick the more expensive wine and been found to *invent* differences in the characteristics of the same wine in order to explain the price difference. Pretty wild.
Makes me feel a little better about not spending bajillions of dollars on beer pairing dinners, its so subjective.
Wine prices are often more about supply and demand and have little to do with quality. Those 'experts' were being set up right from the start.
As a wine geek I think there is definitely an art to pairing food and wine. Maybe you've never experienced it (or even believe it) but a wine can taste better with the right food pairings or taste bad with the wrong. Sommeliers are familiar with the restaurant's menu/food and obviously have tasted the wines in the restaurant's cellar. So they're well suited to provide this service for casual wine drinkers who are paying a premium for a meal. They're not there to act snobby and tell you that one wine is 'better' than another but to help you maximize that matching experience. On the other hand you may know what you like to drink and not be interested in any of that stuff, and that's totally okay too.
I also agree that restaurant wine markups are just plain ridiculous and for that reason I'm all about BYOs. Philly might be the best BYO city in the country. And being into wine also makes it more fun since I can play sommelier myself. The only downside to that is that it sometimes requires you to know what you'll be eating before you even get to the restaurant.
Another interesting topic would be to explore how the Italians are being replaced by the Vietnamese in the 'Italian' market.
I think that's a really cool idea. Some of what I've seen done about the Italian Market seems like it's coming from a time warp, without recognizing how much of it has also become an Asian and Latin food enclave.
I'd compare it to what has happened to "Little Havana" in Miami, which ceased to be the main Cuban enclave years ago (it's far more populated with Central Americans now) but food reviews and travelogues invariably cling to the outdated perception of it.
You should call Bourdain!
Haha. we could also take him to some good dive bars since he hates the gastropub.
I know alot of Italian-Americans dont like whats happening on 9th St but I actually dont mind the asian merchants at the italian market. I love the diversity and as long as places like D'Angelo's, DiBrunos and Claudios stay too, its all good to me.
Mr. Bourdain's previous disdain for this city makes me want to write him a snotty email and tell him not to come here unless he comes through me. Maybe I'd bring coder along to temper my attitude.
Through you?
I'm pretty sure he could just step over you...
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They're supposed to be filming at JB's tomorrow but NOT with Bourdain along---so no reason to come by and gawk unless you want to gawk at me (I'll be wearing an ascot and heels)
How's that different from any other time I've seen you there?
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I love his show, but this had better be a love letter to our fine city.
I think it'll be fine. The one he did in Miami impressed me with how much he avoided the touristy, cliched version and actually went to spots that locals would.
I love his show, but this had better be a love letter to our fine city.
I think it'll be fine. The one he did in Miami impressed me with how much he avoided the touristy, cliched version and actually went to spots that locals would.
Yes. And Burger King (which was founded in Miami).
In all seriousness, though, if I ever see another Miamicentric food special where they visit Gloria Estefan's overpriced garbagefest "Bongo's" and insist it's authentic Cuban I'm gonna throw a brick at the TV. Same with the Pat's/Geno's drearily predictable nonsense here. Pretty sure Bourdain will steer clear of all that crap.
Hmmm I wonder if he's just gonna trash JBs as one of those pretentius gastropubs? ...btw, George as lifelong Philly native, there's nothing wrong with Pats/Genos. Toursity yes, but a cheesesteak from either establishment is tasty enough and a valid example of philly street food. Besides, Pat's DID invent the darn thing so you need to give them some props.
Dirty Frank's is only a dive to people who have never actually been to a dive.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Dirty Frank's is only a dive to people who have never actually been to a dive.
if he wanted an "authentic" dive he should have gone to Bob's HH
Now we're getting somewhere. I haven't lost a Sunday afternoon in there in far too many years.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Dirty Frank's is only a dive to people who have never actually been to a dive.
if he wanted an "authentic" dive he should have gone to Bob's HH
Oh good lord.
That being said - we need to revisit a Girard Ave crawl akin to our recent Frankford Ave crawl.
1) Known hater.
2) Yes, I think we just need to figure out which end to start at.
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2) Yes, I think we just need to figure out which end to start at.
Moi? A hater of Bob's HH? Surely you jest. ;-)
And - hmmm - I was thinking the Fire - but we need to consider what's in between that and, say, JB's.
From the Fire I think we only have Wonder Years and Ozz to deal with before 7-11 parking lot and JB's. What is the anchor bar at the other end of Girard? Do we go all the way to JR's and just consider that part of Girard the way we considered Murph's part of Frankford? (I of course say this because it gets me closer to home)
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
If anyone were asking me, I'd say the story should be the BYO phenomenon. You could eat through all levels of food. Take your $50 bottle of wine down town then a 6 pack of tiquate to the little Porto Rican place up North. As far as I know, Philly is really the only place that openly allows it.
It's a work-around for our bizarre and expensive liquor laws. I'd rather just have a restaurant pick the wine selection for me, they'd do a better job if they really cared.
Pittsburgh has lots of BYO's too. It's a state thing.
If anyone were asking me, I'd say the story should be the BYO phenomenon. You could eat through all levels of food. Take your $50 bottle of wine down town then a 6 pack of tiquate to the little Porto Rican place up North. As far as I know, Philly is really the only place that openly allows it.
It's a work-around for our bizarre and expensive liquor laws. I'd rather just have a restaurant pick the wine selection for me, they'd do a better job if they really cared.
Pittsburgh has lots of BYO's too. It's a state thing.
I guess I could appreciate the BYO scene here more if I was a wine drinker, but I'm the guy that shows up to BYOs with airplane bottles of whiskey in his pockets.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Hmmm I wonder if he's just gonna trash JBs as one of those pretentius gastropubs? ...btw, George as lifelong Philly native, there's nothing wrong with Pats/Genos. Toursity yes, but a cheesesteak from either establishment is tasty enough and a valid example of philly street food. Besides, Pat's DID invent the darn thing so you need to give them some props.
From what we've heard they're coming to film upstairs in what is considered one of the best music venues on the East Coast. Bourdain is an old punker, don't forget.
As for the cheesesteak thing, admittedly I just don't like them at all and neither establishment holds the slightest interest for me regardless of the roots/emotional attachment, etc. (which I totally get). Can't say it's really a 'Philly native' thing, though. Half my family IS from here with very deep roots in this town and not many of them are fans of them, either.
Now DiNic's or Sarcone's, that's another thing entirely!
I'll be curious to watch that episode. JBs is like Punk rock meets the gastropub. Bourdain is going have an epic battle of conscience. How will he play it?
meh it seems fashionable to dump on Pats/Genos thesedays because of the tourist factor but I still think they make a decent cheesesteak (slightly prefer Pats over Genos). My favs are Shanks or Tony Lukes which arent that much better than P/Gs. DiNics is decent (they have a shack on the navy base where I work, about a block away). Admittedly, I never knew that Sarcones made cheesesteaks?
DiNics is decent (they have a shack on the navy base where I work, about a block away). Admittedly, I never knew that Sarcones made cheesesteaks?
Probably should have worded that better. I just meant both establishments as sort of 'Philly Institutions' that do their own iconic sandwiches, rather than cheesesteaks. Sarcone's is only hoagies as far as I know. But what a freakin' hoagie.
ahhh yes I was only talking cheesesteaks. Yep sarcones has great hoagies but Paesanos 'Daddy Wad' or whatever its called is about best hoagie style sandwich around IMO. BTW, I heard Bordain really liked the 'Liverache' which doesnt surprise me.
From the Fire I think we only have Wonder Years and Ozz to deal with before 7-11 parking lot and JB's. What is the anchor bar at the other end of Girard? Do we go all the way to JR's and just consider that part of Girard the way we considered Murph's part of Frankford? (I of course say this because it gets me closer to home)
I'd have to skip Ozzzz. And I'd vote to include JR's.
Hmmm I wonder if he's just gonna trash JBs as one of those pretentius gastropubs? ...btw, George as lifelong Philly native, there's nothing wrong with Pats/Genos. Toursity yes, but a cheesesteak from either establishment is tasty enough and a valid example of philly street food. Besides, Pat's DID invent the darn thing so you need to give them some props.
From what we've heard they're coming to film upstairs in what is considered one of the best music venues on the East Coast. Bourdain is an old punker, don't forget.
As for the cheesesteak thing, admittedly I just don't like them at all and neither establishment holds the slightest interest for me regardless of the roots/emotional attachment, etc. (which I totally get). Can't say it's really a 'Philly native' thing, though. Half my family IS from here with very deep roots in this town and not many of them are fans of them, either.
Now DiNic's or Sarcone's, that's another thing entirely!
Same here. We eat cheesesteaks when we don't feel like thinking about what to eat. If we are painting a room or hanging sheet rock, then we order some cheese steaks. I'll gladly take a DiNic's any day. It's not even close.
Also, I'm not crazy about Johnny Brenda's downstairs- I'm more a Murph's guy- but that music venue upstairs at Brendas is without a doubt the best venue in the city. Just everything about it is perfect. I love seeing bands play there.
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You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
From the Fire I think we only have Wonder Years and Ozz to deal with before 7-11 parking lot and JB's. What is the anchor bar at the other end of Girard? Do we go all the way to JR's and just consider that part of Girard the way we considered Murph's part of Frankford? (I of course say this because it gets me closer to home)
I'd have to skip Ozzzz. And I'd vote to include JR's.
Why, you yellow?
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
From the Fire I think we only have Wonder Years and Ozz to deal with before 7-11 parking lot and JB's. What is the anchor bar at the other end of Girard? Do we go all the way to JR's and just consider that part of Girard the way we considered Murph's part of Frankford? (I of course say this because it gets me closer to home)
I'd have to skip Ozzzz. And I'd vote to include JR's.
JRs is a pretty classic divebar. might as well stop in Les n Doreen's too if you are over that way. I dont quite consider Murph's a divebar. maybe it was at one point but they've upped their game the last few years.
From the Fire I think we only have Wonder Years and Ozz to deal with before 7-11 parking lot and JB's. What is the anchor bar at the other end of Girard? Do we go all the way to JR's and just consider that part of Girard the way we considered Murph's part of Frankford? (I of course say this because it gets me closer to home)
I'd have to skip Ozzzz. And I'd vote to include JR's.
Why, you yellow?
Yes, yes I am yellow. Plus they told me I can't come in as a patron on my off-shift days.
Also, I'm not crazy about Johnny Brenda's downstairs- I'm more a Murph's guy- but that music venue upstairs at Brendas is without a doubt the best venue in the city. Just everything about it is perfect. I love seeing bands play there.
We take a lot of pride in that room and most of us up there have a lot of playing experience ourselves, so your words are appreciated. No question we have nights that suck (what venue doesn't?) but I will say we really do try VERY hard to make it a special place.
Downstairs is like a chameleon. I'm also not too much a fan of the crowd that rolls in there weekend nights but then again I'll sometimes stop by for brunch and it's very relaxing with good friends and conversation everywhere. It can be a very different place depending on the time/day.
So I've heard Bourdain has stopped at (among others) DiBruno's, Southwark, Dirty Frank's, Han Dynasty and Paesano's. Not bad choices at all even if I'm not much of a Dirty Frank's fan. Apparently, we haven't had a final word if they'll be filming at JB's but if so it would be tomorrow rather than today and sans Bourdain himself. I suspect it would just be for some brief "other stuff to do" addendum to the program.
No word if he's been able to experience one of Philadelphia's world famous ginger lattes.
No word if he's been able to experience one of Philadelphia's world famous ginger lattes.
This is hands down the best thing I've come across today.
Is that when you beat up a red head and then pour your coffee on him?
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
From the Fire I think we only have Wonder Years and Ozz to deal with before 7-11 parking lot and JB's. What is the anchor bar at the other end of Girard? Do we go all the way to JR's and just consider that part of Girard the way we considered Murph's part of Frankford? (I of course say this because it gets me closer to home)
I'd have to skip Ozzzz. And I'd vote to include JR's.
Why, you yellow?
Yes, yes I am yellow. Plus they told me I can't come in as a patron on my off-shift days.
I will be part of no pub craw that ignores the gem under the El known as Ozz.
pretty much half of the bourdain agenda is just copying this Vice show: http://www.vice.com/munchies/brad-spence
warning, NSFW due to crude Chef language and food analogies...
So I've heard Bourdain has stopped at (among others) DiBruno's, Southwark, Dirty Frank's, Han Dynasty and Paesano's. Not bad choices at all even if I'm not much of a Dirty Frank's fan.
No word if he's been able to experience one of Philadelphia's world famous ginger lattes.
I heard they ate at Amis also. Nice list. i like DF's and I think Southwark is the most overrated place ever.
I want to take him to Richmond Diner at 3am when all the girls from the Penthouse Club come in after their shift. That place can get a serious Twin Peaks vibe in there that late at night.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Although he's gone home, his crew apparently IS coming by JB's to do a little filming. I will bring my fancy hat and exotic snakes.
And the stilettos.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
I want to take him to Richmond Diner at 3am when all the girls from the Penthouse Club come in after their shift. That place can get a serious Twin Peaks vibe in there that late at night.
I'm waiting for the night the waitress comes to my table with the syringe still hanging out of her arm.
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You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
Sorry I didn't see this until 'today' became 'tomorrow' (which will be today when you read it)---but, yes.
No worries, though. Bourdain was not along. Just his crew---who were very nice---and they stayed an hour or so filming inside and out. I suspect it's just a bit of filler focused mostly on our marriage to local and regional beer and the venue itself--probably will just be a brief part of the espisode.
Man, does he have a following though. I had multiple people asking me where he was, as if we were hiding him somewhere in the building!
SO hard on the ankles coming down those el steps...but ok.
I appreciate it, truly.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
SO hard on the ankles coming down those el steps...but ok.
We all have to sacrifice for beauty.
To some of us it just comes naturally.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
We're doing a viewing party upstairs at JB's on Monday with the 'Pickle Man' (a truly unique human being) doing some kind of opening comedy/variety/inexplicable thing beforehand.
We're doing a viewing party upstairs at JB's on Monday with the 'Pickle Man' (a truly unique human being) doing some kind of opening comedy/variety/inexplicable thing beforehand.
We're doing a viewing party upstairs at JB's on Monday with the 'Pickle Man' (a truly unique human being) doing some kind of opening comedy/variety/inexplicable thing beforehand.
not THE Steve Slutsky!
He's still kicking? I saw him two years ago in Port Richmond, didn't know he was still around.
—
"Anyone who would trade their freedom for safety
deserves neither freedom or safety."
I haven't seen him in awhile. He used to bring his truck by the Green Rock almost every Friday afternoon.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
I liked how they tried to paint the P&P as a somewhat respectable place as opposed to a giant after-hours coke fest for restaurant servers.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Bourdain's shock value schtick wears a little thin for me at times, but I actually really enjoyed the show despite that. If nothing else, I learned that Peter McAndrews is an astounding doofus.
I think the concept behind the show is what can you do if you had 36 hours in Philly. There may be some good spots above PR but it would be difficult to suggest someone go that far out of their way with such limited time.
But that is PR. Other than a shout out, nothing north.
Would Cafe Soho qualify as north of Port Richmond? It's northwest Philly, and near nothing. And if you cross the street, you are outside of the city. And it is fantastic. Well worth the drive straight up 5th street.
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You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
So is the synopsis that there is nothing worth eating north of Port Richmond?
this is a silly question.
i think they did a nice broad stroke from mount airy to west philly, south and the NE (according to comcast, we are northeast). that Johnny Brenda's was given face time amongst all that good food and the characters was a gift.
as for the show, it was my first layover. i much prefer the No Reservations format. this felt awkward in it's attempt to be more of a travel show. now i'm apprehensive to follow him to CNN.
i will say i loved the two guys (the skinny ones with the hat and tattoos). they had me laughing every time they were on.
Cheesesteaks and hot roast pork sandwiches. Same old, same old.
Cheesesteaks only got mentioned in the "There will be no cheesesteaks in my visit. Let the other travel shows do that schtick" and "Cheesesteaks are mostly for tourists. It's really annoying that it seems that's all we're known for when we have much better food" sort of way.
Roast pork sandwiches only got a slight nod when briefly mentioning John's Roast Pork, and talking about Paesano's. But Paesano's is a whole different thing.
But that is PR. Other than a shout out, nothing north.
Would Cafe Soho qualify as north of Port Richmond? It's northwest Philly, and near nothing. And if you cross the street, you are outside of the city. And it is fantastic. Well worth the drive straight up 5th street.
Yeah I thought it was cool that he gave them a shout out. My better half works out in Cheltenham a few days a week and I keep meaning to have her stop there and bring me back chicken on her way home.
EDIT: Overall I enjoyed it. There wasn't really any point on the show where I yelled at the TV over his choices of where to go. Shame his layover wasn't a bit longer though.
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"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
But that is PR. Other than a shout out, nothing north.
Would Cafe Soho qualify as north of Port Richmond? It's northwest Philly, and near nothing. And if you cross the street, you are outside of the city. And it is fantastic. Well worth the drive straight up 5th street.
First off its in Olney, which is a part of Philadelphia north of North Philly and too far east to considered northwest. Second, its not near "nothing" its near a number of other Korean restaurants and businesses as that section of 5th street is referred to as Koreatown.
This wasn't the only far northern restaurant mentioned. He went to a soul food place in East Mount Airy and mentioned Chink's in the northeast.
But that is PR. Other than a shout out, nothing north.
Would Cafe Soho qualify as north of Port Richmond? It's northwest Philly, and near nothing. And if you cross the street, you are outside of the city. And it is fantastic. Well worth the drive straight up 5th street.
First off its in Olney, which is a part of Philadelphia north of North Philly and too far east to considered northwest. Second, its not near "nothing" its near a number of other Korean restaurants and businesses as that section of 5th street is referred to as Koreatown.
Yea, I know. I drive 5th Street from Luzerne to Cheltenham and back about 3 times a week. I also used to live in Logan, and know the borders of Olney pretty well. As I was often told by people from Olney where Olney begins and ends. And I know Cafe Soho is a good mile from those Korean businesses in Olney.
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You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
Cutter
Fri, 2012-03-16 14:11
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Oh, only after 12 years of
Oh, only after 12 years of shows.
jbette01
Fri, 2012-03-16 14:56
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Mr. Bourdain's previous
Mr. Bourdain's previous disdain for this city makes me want to write him a snotty email and tell him not to come here unless he comes through me. Maybe I'd bring coder along to temper my attitude.
codergrrl
Fri, 2012-03-16 15:23
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You catch many more bees with
You catch many more bees with honey, than you do with vinegar.
"Je Suis Prest"
YJB 2k12
Fri, 2012-03-16 15:56
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jbette01 wrote:
jbette01 wrote:
I could probably Google this, but figured I'd ask instead. What about this disdain?
Kat
Fri, 2012-03-16 16:54
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That should be interesting.
That should be interesting. I few months ago, along with Mc Sweeny's, I launched a new magazine called Lucky Peach which is a collaboration of Anthony Bourdain and David Chang. It's a quarterly and is on it's third issue. Doing extrememly well which is great - it is really quirky and for the extreme foodie. A nice read, although I have had numerous calls that people are offended by the "f" word being used. That cracks me up as Anthony Bourdain = F Word. Duh!
lighterthief
Fri, 2012-03-16 17:14
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I really hope he goes beyond
I really hope he goes beyond the cheesesteak... although I really think he would find Lucky's interesting.
He seems like a real jerk but I enjoy him
Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face
jbette01
Fri, 2012-03-16 17:19
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codergrrl wrote:
codergrrl wrote:
Whats funny is I am surprised you have never heard me say this, we probably don't see each other enough. Since I am in sales, it's pretty much my mantra.
However, I am entitled to quasi-irrational ire at people that I will never have an interaction with. Let's call it therapy.
th
Fri, 2012-03-16 21:25
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YJB 2k12 wrote:
YJB 2k12 wrote:
Me too. Inquiring minds want to know.
Mm, mm good.
qbert4578
Fri, 2012-03-16 22:32
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A quick search turned up the
A quick search turned up the following, which isn't exactly scathing, but I'm sure there is more out there:
http://philadelphia.grubstreet.com/2011/10/why-theres-never-been-a-no-reservations-in-philly.html
qbert4578
Fri, 2012-03-16 22:34
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Oh, well, then there's this
Oh, well, then there's this doozy: “Honestly, I’ve never even bothered with Philly,” says bad boy chef/author/TV host Anthony Bourdain to the Philadelphia Weekly's Josh Valocchi. "It seems to me it's a two-horse town: Starr and Perrier."
th
Sat, 2012-03-17 09:46
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qbert4578 wrote:
qbert4578 wrote:
tool
Mm, mm good.
new kenzo
Sat, 2012-03-17 09:54
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th wrote:
th wrote:
goes to show he hasnt got a staff that actually does research. or that he doesnt even read the NY Times, which has spent plenty focus on Philly's restaurants. Besides, if he wanted to pull off a statement like that, at least say : Starr and Garces. Perrier hasnt been more than a lingerer for the last decade. Oh, did he overlook the James Beard foundation awards for Philly chefs?
"vinegar of lil richard ninja" , yo
gauler
Sun, 2012-03-18 01:43
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This town has plenty of story
This town has plenty of story. Their excuse of not finding a hook to this place, is weak. IF only to cover the piazza (yeah, its a douchy place, but admit that Bart turned northern liberties into a place to go, not a place to buy drugs) Garces, Solomonov, Starr, and beyond that. Even just venturing in the Standard Tap, or Monks Cafe, which may or may not be the Grand Daddy to the brew pub menus in town. I think Philly is king of the Gastro Pub, and honestly maybe too much of it around. You start eating the same stinking food over and over again, nothing seems exciting, but its still good, better tasting food than in some other places iv'e been.
LA is king of the low brow, NY of the high, San Fran has its freshness, Boston Seafood, Philly = Beer food. Good quality beer, and the food that goes along with it. Its why places like Pez Loco is more exciting than another Johnny Brendas, or Kraftwork, or Draft house (and I like to eat at all three places, but I also like to see people be more adventurous at a low price than a burger, humus, chicken sandwich, mussels, and flatbread pizza).
If he comes, great, if he doesn't, who cares. This town has great food and Bourdain's crew will feed into his own hypocrisy which he has done in the past and he himself has acknowledged.
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george
Sun, 2012-03-18 04:45
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I totally get the 'Disdain
I totally get the 'Disdain for Bourdain' (now THERE'S the first stanza of some bad poetry) but ultimately don't share that sentiment and kinda like the guy.
Seriously, what should he say to make people happy? That everything is interesting/wonderful/compelling? That would be both a lie and VERY bad television. I think he just pretty much calls things as he sees them in an isolated, edited slice of time. He's not doing a Chamber of Commerce promo.
Look, I know Miami REAL well and didn't find it much different than his (prior) take on Philly. He made fun of the tourist crap--perhaps in a cliched way but still kinda accurate--and then went off to eat barbecued goat in Little Haiti with actual locals who had no idea who he was. I like that.
If I wanted nothing but sunshiny, feel good travelogues I can watch Rick Steevs traipsing around Switzerland, y'know?
Bourdain can definitely be an adjective that pertains to male anatomy and rhymes with "stick" but he also has genuine chops in the industry and (I think) makes for pretty good TV.
I think he'll be fair with his next Philly go-round. Hopefully, anyway.
Susquehanna
Sun, 2012-03-18 10:11
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george wrote:
george wrote:
Completely agree. Honestly, i think there's a good story in food to be discovered and make a great show here. I think it'll take someone like him to paint a good picture of us on a food show. Previous hosts have at best scraped the surface.
Frank Jones
Sun, 2012-03-18 10:38
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If I hear of a great place to
If I hear of a great place to eat I always wonder if I should tell everyone and risk never getting a table or tell no one and it goes out of business. (not that it's all up to me)
stein wrote:
th
Mon, 2012-03-19 09:04
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If anyone were asking me, I'd
If anyone were asking me, I'd say the story should be the BYO phenomenon. You could eat through all levels of food. Take your $50 bottle of wine down town then a 6 pack of tiquate to the little Porto Rican place up North. As far as I know, Philly is really the only place that openly allows it.
Mm, mm good.
codergrrl
Mon, 2012-03-19 09:38
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I've come to the conclusion
I've come to the conclusion that alot of people dislike other people who speak their mind.
For whatever reason.
Personally, I like people who say things I disagree with.
"Je Suis Prest"
stbenjamin
Mon, 2012-03-19 10:53
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th wrote:
th wrote:
It's a work-around for our bizarre and expensive liquor laws. I'd rather just have a restaurant pick the wine selection for me, they'd do a better job if they really cared.
th
Mon, 2012-03-19 11:20
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stbenjamin wrote:
stbenjamin wrote:
They may do a better job, however, a little place with 12 seats could never stay open if they had to buy a liquor license. Plus, it's really allowed people like me (on a budget) to explore the the more expensive places in town on a semi-regular basis. I'd never pay $20 and up for a meal if I were also paying $30 for a bottle of wine on top of it.
Mm, mm good.
codergrrl
Mon, 2012-03-19 11:43
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Restaurant wine is such a rip
Restaurant wine is such a rip off.
I drink what I like, and I bring it with me whenever possible.
I could not care less what some snob faced guy thinks I should drink. It's a scam, to get people to believe they don't know enough to know what they like. (oh yeah, and to sell wine with ridiculous mark ups.)
Sommelier's are like diamonds, an invented importance.
"Je Suis Prest"
jbette01
Mon, 2012-03-19 12:46
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codergrrl wrote:
codergrrl wrote:
Agreed.
I listened to an interesting piece on this recently. A couple blind taste tests revealed that trained industry sommeliers can get two pours of the same $10 wine, one they are told is $10 and one they are told is $30. They will overwhelmingly pick the more expensive wine and been found to *invent* differences in the characteristics of the same wine in order to explain the price difference. Pretty wild.
Makes me feel a little better about not spending bajillions of dollars on beer pairing dinners, its so subjective.
codergrrl
Mon, 2012-03-19 12:59
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I expected to hear nothing
I expected to hear nothing about my comment, other than the sound of all the "foodies" falling off their chairs.
Glad I'm not the only one.
"Je Suis Prest"
stbenjamin
Mon, 2012-03-19 13:24
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codergrrl wrote:
codergrrl wrote:
I can only say that a place with good wine does a better job than I do, even when I am at a decent liquor store (like Total Wine). I've had bad wine out too, but it is sort of like saying I can pick better beer than the bar owner. Maybe in some cases but not all. Plus then it is a separate trip (and in PA finding a store, and one that is open is a real pain). Also, then I am committed to drinking a whole bottle, I may have just wanted a glass.
As for the expense, I do wish PA were like other sane state, where a few hundred dollars gets you a license and then you can have a 12 person restaurant with an interesting wine selection. That is where the PLCB acts as a high barrier to entry for a lot of interesting restaurant/bar concepts I've been to in other states.
austen
Mon, 2012-03-19 13:39
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Le sigh. I stopped at the
Le sigh. I stopped at the Total Wine on Naaman's Road on Friday. I had to limit myself to twenty minutes in there, otherwise it could have been a two hour trip (and much more painful to my wallet).
That being said, I hate dropping $40.00 in a restaurant on a bottle that costs $9.99 in the store. Because dangit, I WILL drink it all after paying said $40.00.
codergrrl
Mon, 2012-03-19 14:07
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I just screw the cap back on
I just screw the cap back on and throw it in my plastic bag.
"Je Suis Prest"
Atomic Larry
Mon, 2012-03-19 22:31
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Andrew Zimmern did a great
Andrew Zimmern did a nice segment about Philly on bizarre foods.
Bourdain's disdain (see how i rhymed there?) for the gastropub is well documented so i dont think that would work. A BYO theme, however, would be the way to go. Another interesting topic would be to explore how the Italians are being replaced by the Vietnamese in the 'Italian' market. I'd like
to see him do a segment with Sonny D'Angelo (the game butcher) too. I bet they'd get along famously.
george
Mon, 2012-03-19 22:50
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Atomic Larry wrote:
Atomic Larry wrote:
I think that's a really cool idea. Some of what I've seen done about the Italian Market seems like it's coming from a time warp, without recognizing how much of it has also become an Asian and Latin food enclave.
I'd compare it to what has happened to "Little Havana" in Miami, which ceased to be the main Cuban enclave years ago (it's far more populated with Central Americans now) but food reviews and travelogues invariably cling to the outdated perception of it.
You should call Bourdain!
Atomic Larry
Tue, 2012-03-20 08:10
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jbette01 wrote:
jbette01 wrote:
Wine prices are often more about supply and demand and have little to do with quality. Those 'experts' were being set up right from the start.
As a wine geek I think there is definitely an art to pairing food and wine. Maybe you've never experienced it (or even believe it) but a wine can taste better with the right food pairings or taste bad with the wrong. Sommeliers are familiar with the restaurant's menu/food and obviously have tasted the wines in the restaurant's cellar. So they're well suited to provide this service for casual wine drinkers who are paying a premium for a meal. They're not there to act snobby and tell you that one wine is 'better' than another but to help you maximize that matching experience. On the other hand you may know what you like to drink and not be interested in any of that stuff, and that's totally okay too.
I also agree that restaurant wine markups are just plain ridiculous and for that reason I'm all about BYOs. Philly might be the best BYO city in the country. And being into wine also makes it more fun since I can play sommelier myself. The only downside to that is that it sometimes requires you to know what you'll be eating before you even get to the restaurant.
Atomic Larry
Tue, 2012-03-20 08:17
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george wrote:
george wrote:
Haha. we could also take him to some good dive bars since he hates the gastropub.
I know alot of Italian-Americans dont like whats happening on 9th St but I actually dont mind the asian merchants at the italian market. I love the diversity and as long as places like D'Angelo's, DiBrunos and Claudios stay too, its all good to me.
barstool
Tue, 2012-03-20 09:44
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Is he going to eat at the
Is he going to eat at the greek place at Frankford and Girard? They have the very best food in Fishtown.
Coder
Tue, 2012-07-24 15:15
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He's here!
He's here!
http://twitter.com/Bourdain/status/227811788228550656/photo/1
austen
Tue, 2012-07-24 15:21
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I can't see the twitter at
I can't see the twitter at work! Where is he so I may stalk him?
Atomic Larry
Tue, 2012-07-24 15:38
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A colleague at work met him
A colleague at work met him today at the 9th st Paesano's.
Jordan
Tue, 2012-07-24 15:44
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jbette01 wrote:
jbette01 wrote:
Through you?
I'm pretty sure he could just step over you...
A. Jordan Rushie
Attorney and Counselor at Law
2424 East York Street, Suite 316
Philadelphia, PA 19125 215.385.LAW1 (5291)
Blog: www.phillylawblog.com
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george
Tue, 2012-07-24 15:46
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They're supposed to be
They're supposed to be filming at JB's tomorrow but NOT with Bourdain along---so no reason to come by and gawk unless you want to gawk at me (I'll be wearing an ascot and heels)
sdm
Tue, 2012-07-24 15:59
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george wrote:
george wrote:
How's that different from any other time I've seen you there?
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
FPDA
Tue, 2012-07-24 16:06
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I love his show, but this had
I love his show, but this had better be a love letter to our fine city.
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Newcomer
Tue, 2012-07-24 16:10
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FPDA wrote:
FPDA wrote:
I don't think his host will let him get away with too much trash-talkin' about Philly.
george
Tue, 2012-07-24 16:14
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
I'll be wearing pants this time.
george
Tue, 2012-07-24 16:16
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FPDA wrote:
FPDA wrote:
I think it'll be fine. The one he did in Miami impressed me with how much he avoided the touristy, cliched version and actually went to spots that locals would.
Newcomer
Tue, 2012-07-24 16:19
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george wrote:
george wrote:
Hard Rock Cafe, right?
george
Tue, 2012-07-24 16:31
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Newcomer wrote:
Newcomer wrote:
Yes. And Burger King (which was founded in Miami).
In all seriousness, though, if I ever see another Miamicentric food special where they visit Gloria Estefan's overpriced garbagefest "Bongo's" and insist it's authentic Cuban I'm gonna throw a brick at the TV. Same with the Pat's/Geno's drearily predictable nonsense here. Pretty sure Bourdain will steer clear of all that crap.
austen
Tue, 2012-07-24 16:55
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Apparently he's already
Apparently he's already checked out the Mutter Museum - and most recently spotted at the Barnes.
FPDA
Tue, 2012-07-24 17:00
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So the general public outside
So the general public outside of Philly will be finding out about not only our world-class restaurants, but also our world-class arts and culture?
I hope he doesn't mention our absurdly low cost-of-living when compared to other major cities, otherwise we may have an influx of outsiders...
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Coder
Wed, 2012-07-25 07:11
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He was trying out the DiBruno
He was trying out the DiBruno's selection at the Thriftway!
Nah, but he was in the store down the market. ">Not too touristy.
Atomic Larry
Wed, 2012-07-25 09:05
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Hmmm I wonder if he's just
Hmmm I wonder if he's just gonna trash JBs as one of those pretentius gastropubs? ...btw, George as lifelong Philly native, there's nothing wrong with Pats/Genos. Toursity yes, but a cheesesteak from either establishment is tasty enough and a valid example of philly street food. Besides, Pat's DID invent the darn thing so you need to give them some props.
steveeboy
Wed, 2012-07-25 09:59
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according to his twats he
according to his twats he ended up at Dirty Frank's with Han of HANDY NASTY fame, so I would say the "dive" aspect of trip has been completed...
sdm
Wed, 2012-07-25 10:04
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Dirty Frank's is only a dive
Dirty Frank's is only a dive to people who have never actually been to a dive.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Newcomer
Wed, 2012-07-25 11:01
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steveeboy wrote:
steveeboy wrote:
We're reading Moby Jerk but this gets past the filter?
lighterthief
Wed, 2012-07-25 11:15
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
if he wanted an "authentic" dive he should have gone to Bob's HH
Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face
sdm
Wed, 2012-07-25 11:18
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lighterthief wrote:
lighterthief wrote:
Now we're getting somewhere. I haven't lost a Sunday afternoon in there in far too many years.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
austen
Wed, 2012-07-25 11:43
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lighterthief wrote:
lighterthief wrote:
Oh good lord.
That being said - we need to revisit a Girard Ave crawl akin to our recent Frankford Ave crawl.
sdm
Wed, 2012-07-25 11:53
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
1) Known hater.
2) Yes, I think we just need to figure out which end to start at.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
lighterthief
Wed, 2012-07-25 11:58
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
I think we start with tallboys of cobra in the 7-11 parking lot
Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face
austen
Wed, 2012-07-25 12:02
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
Moi? A hater of Bob's HH? Surely you jest. ;-)
And - hmmm - I was thinking the Fire - but we need to consider what's in between that and, say, JB's.
sdm
Wed, 2012-07-25 12:05
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
From the Fire I think we only have Wonder Years and Ozz to deal with before 7-11 parking lot and JB's. What is the anchor bar at the other end of Girard? Do we go all the way to JR's and just consider that part of Girard the way we considered Murph's part of Frankford? (I of course say this because it gets me closer to home)
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
bingo
Wed, 2012-07-25 12:06
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stbenjamin wrote:
stbenjamin wrote:
Pittsburgh has lots of BYO's too. It's a state thing.
sdm
Wed, 2012-07-25 12:09
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bingo wrote:
bingo wrote:
I guess I could appreciate the BYO scene here more if I was a wine drinker, but I'm the guy that shows up to BYOs with airplane bottles of whiskey in his pockets.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
steveeboy
Wed, 2012-07-25 12:10
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http://www.theinquirer.net
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1495480/tweeters-twats-tory-twit
george
Wed, 2012-07-25 13:45
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Atomic Larry wrote:
Atomic Larry wrote:
From what we've heard they're coming to film upstairs in what is considered one of the best music venues on the East Coast. Bourdain is an old punker, don't forget.
As for the cheesesteak thing, admittedly I just don't like them at all and neither establishment holds the slightest interest for me regardless of the roots/emotional attachment, etc. (which I totally get). Can't say it's really a 'Philly native' thing, though. Half my family IS from here with very deep roots in this town and not many of them are fans of them, either.
Now DiNic's or Sarcone's, that's another thing entirely!
Atomic Larry
Wed, 2012-07-25 13:58
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I'll be curious to watch that
I'll be curious to watch that episode. JBs is like Punk rock meets the gastropub. Bourdain is going have an epic battle of conscience. How will he play it?
meh it seems fashionable to dump on Pats/Genos thesedays because of the tourist factor but I still think they make a decent cheesesteak (slightly prefer Pats over Genos). My favs are Shanks or Tony Lukes which arent that much better than P/Gs. DiNics is decent (they have a shack on the navy base where I work, about a block away). Admittedly, I never knew that Sarcones made cheesesteaks?
george
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:02
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Atomic Larry wrote:
Atomic Larry wrote:
Probably should have worded that better. I just meant both establishments as sort of 'Philly Institutions' that do their own iconic sandwiches, rather than cheesesteaks. Sarcone's is only hoagies as far as I know. But what a freakin' hoagie.
Atomic Larry
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:09
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ahhh yes I was only talking
ahhh yes I was only talking cheesesteaks. Yep sarcones has great hoagies but Paesanos 'Daddy Wad' or whatever its called is about best hoagie style sandwich around IMO. BTW, I heard Bordain really liked the 'Liverache' which doesnt surprise me.
austen
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:10
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
I'd have to skip Ozzzz. And I'd vote to include JR's.
Kuishimbo
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:15
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george wrote:
george wrote:
Same here. We eat cheesesteaks when we don't feel like thinking about what to eat. If we are painting a room or hanging sheet rock, then we order some cheese steaks. I'll gladly take a DiNic's any day. It's not even close.
Also, I'm not crazy about Johnny Brenda's downstairs- I'm more a Murph's guy- but that music venue upstairs at Brendas is without a doubt the best venue in the city. Just everything about it is perfect. I love seeing bands play there.
You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
sdm
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:17
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
Why, you yellow?
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Atomic Larry
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:17
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
JRs is a pretty classic divebar. might as well stop in Les n Doreen's too if you are over that way. I dont quite consider Murph's a divebar. maybe it was at one point but they've upped their game the last few years.
austen
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:20
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
Yes, yes I am yellow. Plus they told me I can't come in as a patron on my off-shift days.
george
Wed, 2012-07-25 14:23
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Kuishimbo wrote:
Kuishimbo wrote:
We take a lot of pride in that room and most of us up there have a lot of playing experience ourselves, so your words are appreciated. No question we have nights that suck (what venue doesn't?) but I will say we really do try VERY hard to make it a special place.
Downstairs is like a chameleon. I'm also not too much a fan of the crowd that rolls in there weekend nights but then again I'll sometimes stop by for brunch and it's very relaxing with good friends and conversation everywhere. It can be a very different place depending on the time/day.
th
Wed, 2012-07-25 15:56
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
I read this as "my OFF-SHIRT days."
I thought "well, that makes sense."
Mm, mm good.
austen
Wed, 2012-07-25 16:04
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th wrote:
th wrote:
See! Synchronicity. See you @ Atlantis.
george
Wed, 2012-07-25 16:38
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So I've heard Bourdain has
So I've heard Bourdain has stopped at (among others) DiBruno's, Southwark, Dirty Frank's, Han Dynasty and Paesano's. Not bad choices at all even if I'm not much of a Dirty Frank's fan. Apparently, we haven't had a final word if they'll be filming at JB's but if so it would be tomorrow rather than today and sans Bourdain himself. I suspect it would just be for some brief "other stuff to do" addendum to the program.
No word if he's been able to experience one of Philadelphia's world famous ginger lattes.
JedicusMaximus
Wed, 2012-07-25 16:44
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george wrote:
george wrote:
This is hands down the best thing I've come across today.
10011101
sdm
Wed, 2012-07-25 17:04
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JedicusMaximus wrote:
JedicusMaximus wrote:
Is that when you beat up a red head and then pour your coffee on him?
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Leo
Wed, 2012-07-25 20:11
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
I will be part of no pub craw that ignores the gem under the El known as Ozz.
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steveeboy
Thu, 2012-07-26 08:48
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pretty much half of the
pretty much half of the bourdain agenda is just copying this Vice show: http://www.vice.com/munchies/brad-spence
warning, NSFW due to crude Chef language and food analogies...
Newcomer
Thu, 2012-07-26 10:25
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george wrote:
george wrote:
I heard they ate at Amis also. Nice list. i like DF's and I think Southwark is the most overrated place ever.
Coder
Thu, 2012-07-26 10:46
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At Amis, the first words out
At Amis, the first words out of his mouth were "I should have come sooner".
Now that he loves us, we can start hating him.
http://philly.eater.com/archives/2012/07/25/anthony-bourdain-on-philly-i-should-have-come-sooner.php
Newcomer
Thu, 2012-07-26 10:51
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Jesus. Pete should have left
Jesus. Pete should have left Vetri and Bourdain alone; they look like they're gonna start making out any second.
Coder
Thu, 2012-07-26 10:51
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I'd pay to see that.
I'd pay to see that.
Kat
Thu, 2012-07-26 11:14
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Newcomer wrote:
Newcomer wrote:
hahahahahaa
Atomic Larry
Thu, 2012-07-26 13:27
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I think I would have made out
I think I would have made out with Vetri if he wanted during my meal there. (Vetri I mean, not Amis)
qbert4578
Thu, 2012-07-26 13:47
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http://philadelphia.foobooz
http://philadelphia.foobooz.com/2012/07/26/anthony-bourdains-second-night-in-philadelphia/
sdm
Thu, 2012-07-26 14:55
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I want to take him to
I want to take him to Richmond Diner at 3am when all the girls from the Penthouse Club come in after their shift. That place can get a serious Twin Peaks vibe in there that late at night.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
sdm
Thu, 2012-07-26 16:45
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http://www.philly.com/philly
http://www.philly.com/philly/food/20120727_Bourdain_recap.html
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
george
Thu, 2012-07-26 16:55
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
Nice.
Although he's gone home, his crew apparently IS coming by JB's to do a little filming. I will bring my fancy hat and exotic snakes.
austen
Thu, 2012-07-26 16:57
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george wrote:
george wrote:
Today?
sdm
Thu, 2012-07-26 16:59
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george wrote:
george wrote:
And the stilettos.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Kuishimbo
Thu, 2012-07-26 18:42
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
I'm waiting for the night the waitress comes to my table with the syringe still hanging out of her arm.
You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
george
Fri, 2012-07-27 04:15
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
Sorry I didn't see this until 'today' became 'tomorrow' (which will be today when you read it)---but, yes.
No worries, though. Bourdain was not along. Just his crew---who were very nice---and they stayed an hour or so filming inside and out. I suspect it's just a bit of filler focused mostly on our marriage to local and regional beer and the venue itself--probably will just be a brief part of the espisode.
Man, does he have a following though. I had multiple people asking me where he was, as if we were hiding him somewhere in the building!
george
Fri, 2012-07-27 04:17
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
SO hard on the ankles coming down those el steps...but ok.
sdm
Fri, 2012-07-27 10:58
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george wrote:
george wrote:
I appreciate it, truly.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
th
Fri, 2012-07-27 16:05
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george wrote:
george wrote:
We all have to sacrifice for beauty.
Mm, mm good.
sdm
Fri, 2012-07-27 16:19
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th wrote:
th wrote:
To some of us it just comes naturally.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
FPDA
Sat, 2012-12-01 11:39
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FYI, this episode is going on
FYI, this episode is going on air Monday at 9
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george
Sat, 2012-12-01 12:58
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We're doing a viewing party
We're doing a viewing party upstairs at JB's on Monday with the 'Pickle Man' (a truly unique human being) doing some kind of opening comedy/variety/inexplicable thing beforehand.
I'll probably go--should be fun.
Dan
Sat, 2012-12-01 14:39
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george wrote:
george wrote:
not THE Steve Slutsky!
Quot capita, tot sensus
Stock
Sat, 2012-12-01 16:23
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Soul Man wrote:
Soul Man wrote:
He's still kicking? I saw him two years ago in Port Richmond, didn't know he was still around.
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george
Sat, 2012-12-01 16:26
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Soul Man wrote:
Soul Man wrote:
Yes, indeed. He's our Pickle Man.
(this is a free event, btw)
sdm
Sat, 2012-12-01 18:21
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george wrote:
george wrote:
I haven't seen him in awhile. He used to bring his truck by the Green Rock almost every Friday afternoon.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Newcomer
Mon, 2012-12-03 20:02
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Can someone tell me the
Can someone tell me the Comcast channel, please?
Kuishimbo
Mon, 2012-12-03 21:24
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Should be 840.
Should be 840.
You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
Newcomer
Mon, 2012-12-03 21:40
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Thanks, man
Thanks, man
george
Mon, 2012-12-03 22:35
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Liked the show a lot and
Liked the show a lot and thought Bourdain did Philly proud. Also great to see my friends Melissa and Regina from JB's make a brief appearance!
sdm
Mon, 2012-12-03 22:37
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I liked how they tried to
I liked how they tried to paint the P&P as a somewhat respectable place as opposed to a giant after-hours coke fest for restaurant servers.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
ronchito
Mon, 2012-12-03 22:50
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Bourdain's shock value
Bourdain's shock value schtick wears a little thin for me at times, but I actually really enjoyed the show despite that. If nothing else, I learned that Peter McAndrews is an astounding doofus.
FPDA
Mon, 2012-12-03 22:53
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I enjoyed the not-very-subtle
I enjoyed the not-very-subtle jab at Stephen Starr by referring to him in the past tense along with Perrier.
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george
Mon, 2012-12-03 22:54
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sdm wrote:
sdm wrote:
Ha! I've been once and cannot dispute this.
Coder
Tue, 2012-12-04 09:40
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So is the synopsis that there
So is the synopsis that there is nothing worth eating north of Port Richmond?
bozoloper
Tue, 2012-12-04 09:44
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Coder wrote:
Coder wrote:
they threw a shout out to chink's.
so speaketh the loper!
austen
Tue, 2012-12-04 09:45
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They showed Czerw's.
They showed Czerw's.
Coder
Tue, 2012-12-04 10:00
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austen wrote:
austen wrote:
But that is PR. Other than a shout out, nothing north.
ronchito
Tue, 2012-12-04 10:03
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I think the concept behind
I think the concept behind the show is what can you do if you had 36 hours in Philly. There may be some good spots above PR but it would be difficult to suggest someone go that far out of their way with such limited time.
bozoloper
Tue, 2012-12-04 10:07
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i was surprised the american
i was surprised the american sardine made it.
so speaketh the loper!
Kuishimbo
Tue, 2012-12-04 10:14
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Coder wrote:
Coder wrote:
Would Cafe Soho qualify as north of Port Richmond? It's northwest Philly, and near nothing. And if you cross the street, you are outside of the city. And it is fantastic. Well worth the drive straight up 5th street.
You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.
Susquehanna
Tue, 2012-12-04 11:07
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Coder wrote:
Coder wrote:
this is a silly question.
i think they did a nice broad stroke from mount airy to west philly, south and the NE (according to comcast, we are northeast). that Johnny Brenda's was given face time amongst all that good food and the characters was a gift.
as for the show, it was my first layover. i much prefer the No Reservations format. this felt awkward in it's attempt to be more of a travel show. now i'm apprehensive to follow him to CNN.
i will say i loved the two guys (the skinny ones with the hat and tattoos). they had me laughing every time they were on.
bonzombiekitty
Tue, 2012-12-04 11:28
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Busboy wrote:
Busboy wrote:
Cheesesteaks only got mentioned in the "There will be no cheesesteaks in my visit. Let the other travel shows do that schtick" and "Cheesesteaks are mostly for tourists. It's really annoying that it seems that's all we're known for when we have much better food" sort of way.
Roast pork sandwiches only got a slight nod when briefly mentioning John's Roast Pork, and talking about Paesano's. But Paesano's is a whole different thing.
austen
Tue, 2012-12-04 11:29
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Busboy wrote:
Busboy wrote:
Well, howdy there, troll! We've missed you terribly. How was your Thanksgiving in Florida?
sdm
Tue, 2012-12-04 11:48
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Kuishimbo wrote:
Kuishimbo wrote:
Yeah I thought it was cool that he gave them a shout out. My better half works out in Cheltenham a few days a week and I keep meaning to have her stop there and bring me back chicken on her way home.
EDIT: Overall I enjoyed it. There wasn't really any point on the show where I yelled at the TV over his choices of where to go. Shame his layover wasn't a bit longer though.
"No, when I said I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street I literally meant I was going to eat cold rice out of a bag on the street. There is no innuendo here unfortunately, this is just how I live."
Cutter
Tue, 2012-12-04 16:32
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He pours the coffee with
He pours the coffee with condensed milk into the ice without stirring first. Fail.
Newcomer
Tue, 2012-12-04 16:49
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That's how I like Thai iced
That's how I like Thai iced coffee - then I can drink most of the milk first.
george
Tue, 2012-12-04 16:56
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You didn't notice how
You didn't notice how EXTREMELY hungover Bourdain looked at Pho 75? I'll give him credit just for not falling out of the chair.
austen
Tue, 2012-12-04 16:59
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george wrote:
george wrote:
Yeah, but he's been looking way puffier lately.
Cutter
Tue, 2012-12-04 17:14
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Newcomer wrote:
Newcomer wrote:
You like drinking syrup?
Southbounddown
Tue, 2012-12-04 17:58
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Kuishimbo wrote:
Kuishimbo wrote:
First off its in Olney, which is a part of Philadelphia north of North Philly and too far east to considered northwest. Second, its not near "nothing" its near a number of other Korean restaurants and businesses as that section of 5th street is referred to as Koreatown.
This wasn't the only far northern restaurant mentioned. He went to a soul food place in East Mount Airy and mentioned Chink's in the northeast.
Coder
Tue, 2012-12-04 20:33
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Finally watching it on demand
Finally watching it on demand. Saw the Dolphin's sign when they were mentioning dive bars. Cool.
Kuishimbo
Tue, 2012-12-04 22:09
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Southbounddown wrote:
Southbounddown wrote:
Yea, I know. I drive 5th Street from Luzerne to Cheltenham and back about 3 times a week. I also used to live in Logan, and know the borders of Olney pretty well. As I was often told by people from Olney where Olney begins and ends. And I know Cafe Soho is a good mile from those Korean businesses in Olney.
You can steer a car with your feet, but that does not make it a good idea.