FNA Zoning Committee Meeting -- 1100 E Hewson St.

Tuesday, July 17, 2012 - 7:30pm to 8:00pm

A proposal of revised plans originally presented to the community on 6/19 (original plans were for 12 single family homes on 11 lots). This meeting will be held at the Fishtown Rec Center, 1202 E. Montgomery Ave. All residents of Fishtown are eligible to vote. Please bring proof of residence or business ownership in the form of a driver's license or a photo ID and a lease, utility bill, or recent piece of mail addressed to your home or business.

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jbette01's picture

BUMP. This is a big meeting.

FPDA's picture

What was the issue holding it up last time?

fuzzybottoms's picture

FPDA wrote:
What was the issue holding it up last time?

I'm thinking density, lack of open space. 12 homes on 11 lots is pretty tight.

jbette01's picture

Are we down to 11 homes on 11 lots?

1912five's picture

While it was technically 12 homes on 11 lots, one of the 11 lots was a double-wide, so that's misleading.

But either way, the revised proposal is down to 11 homes.

fuzzybottoms's picture

Bump -- this is tonight!!!

fuzzybottoms's picture

The neighbors voted to support this project 18-6. The vote was 1-5 within 500 feet. Outside that area the vote was 17-1.

jbette01's picture

I will give you one guess as to the most prevalent objection.

Neilpuck's picture

jbette01 wrote:
I will give you one guess as to the most prevalent objection.

Outdoor Seating?

Jordan's picture

jbette01 wrote:
I will give you one guess as to the most prevalent objection.

The space would be better used as a corner bar?

austen's picture

No dog doo receptacles?

bingo's picture

11 homes on 11 lots too dense?

jbette01's picture

omg you guys are all so close!

fuzzybottoms's picture

Bike racks? Trees?
I know I'll get the right answer soon....

stbenjamin's picture

Either height or they thought the look was too "modern"

FPDA's picture

It does not matter. Zoning batman defeats all ridiculous opposition with strongly-worded disdain and a swoosh of his cape.

(Yes, he's now talking about himself in the 3rd person. He thinks you should just accept this and move on.)

Coder's picture

"Jimmy likes Elaine, Jimmy doesn't like George".

bozoloper's picture

Coder wrote:
"Jimmy likes Elaine, Jimmy doesn't like George".

jimmy and misunderstandings don't really get along.

Coder's picture

Little did we know that Dr. Tim Whatley would end up cooking meth.

meredith's picture

bozoloper wrote:
Coder wrote:
"Jimmy likes Elaine, Jimmy doesn't like George".

jimmy and misunderstandings don't really get along.

jimmy and misunderstandings kinda clash.

please get it right. thanks.

2014 york's picture

It's gotta be parking. Isn't it always parking?

JedicusMaximus's picture

Parking at a zoning meeting is like the free spot in the middle of a bingo card.

FishtownYo's picture

fuzzybottoms wrote:
The neighbors voted to support this project 18-6. The vote was 1-5 within 500 feet. Outside that area the vote was 17-1.

Whats the purpose of the near neighbors vs. community vote if the community can overcome the neighbors? Is it just to pas on to city, letting them know how the immediate people feel about it an possibly affecting the outcome?

It's a shame that people who are not affected by the construction can overrule the ones who are (not saying 5 votes is a tell tale sign on how most immediate neighbors would vote).

Jordan's picture

FishtownYo wrote:
fuzzybottoms wrote:
The neighbors voted to support this project 18-6. The vote was 1-5 within 500 feet. Outside that area the vote was 17-1.

Whats the purpose of the near neighbors vs. community vote if the community can overcome the neighbors? Is it just to pas on to city, letting them know how the immediate people feel about it an possibly affecting the outcome?

It's a shame that people who are not affected by the construction can overrule the ones who are (not saying 5 votes is a tell tale sign on how most immediate neighbors would vote).

The ZBA weighs that into consideration.

In short, the neighborhood's vote isn't binding on the ZBA. The ZBA can very well say "Sure, it passed the neighborhood vote, but we're going to accord more weight to the local weight and deny it."

That said, when it passes by a wide margin in the community, but a small margin in the local vote, the ZBA will also take that into account. It could just be a few disgruntled neighbors that don't like the idea of development on their block.

Our letter to the ZBA clearly states that it was supported by the community at large, but was widely opposed by the local neighbors within 500 feet who showed up.

The point of doing a local vote and community vote is to give the ZBA a clear picture of how the neighborhood feels about the application. Community support is one of a few factors that the ZBA considers. Albiet, community support is a very important factor.

fuzzybottoms's picture

FishtownYo wrote:
fuzzybottoms wrote:
The neighbors voted to support this project 18-6. The vote was 1-5 within 500 feet. Outside that area the vote was 17-1.

Whats the purpose of the near neighbors vs. community vote if the community can overcome the neighbors? Is it just to pas on to city, letting them know how the immediate people feel about it an possibly affecting the outcome?

It's a shame that people who are not affected by the construction can overrule the ones who are (not saying 5 votes is a tell tale sign on how most immediate neighbors would vote).

The results are presented separately in the letter and it's made clear that those within 500' of the project voted x, and those outside the area voted y. The ZBA can choose to weigh the vote for those nearer the project differently than the voting outcome outside that area.

For my purposes of posting on FT.us, I usually just present it as an overall "approve" or "not approve" and then provide the breakdown.

th's picture

Jordan's sweet avatar is sweet.

Jordan's picture

th wrote:
Jordan's sweet avatar is sweet.

Super Lawyers asked me for a bio picture. I sent them that. They were less than thrilled.

Coder's picture

You guys need to use those Jeffro portraits as avatars.
They're pretty cool.

Jordan's picture

Coder wrote:
You guys need to use those Jeffro portraits as avatars.
They're pretty cool.

I do on my Facebook and lawyer webpage.