Archdiocese Day of Reckoning Is Here

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I find it amusing they picked Little Christmas to announce this.

Neatly chiseled, well groomed, drop dead handsome face.

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sdm wrote:
I find it amusing they picked Little Christmas to announce this.

It's less of a flub than when they picked Ash Wednesday to "silently fire" all those molesting priests.

Parishioner: Oh Father So-And-So won't be here for silent mass this morning. Is he ill?

Clergyman: You could say that.

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Oh WHAT THE hell... St. Hubert's is gonna close and I also got a rumor in my e-mail that St. Timothy's near my old house is also on the ax list. Ugh.

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Things should start leaking out before 4PM though. Pastors and principals find out at 10AM. Then they go back to the schools to let everyone know, and all the schools are running on a half-day.

By 3:50PM, it will sound like every school in the archdiocese is closing...

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Is this just Philly centric, or are we talking burbs as well? Guess the new $65 million one in Lansdale is still a go. I'm trying to be nice today..(lol) ...so ....
Did the legal fees come due this month?

"Je Suis Prest"

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this is a sad, sad day for the children of the riverwards :(

Tracey McCandless

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codergrrl wrote:
Is this just Philly centric, or are we talking burbs as well? Guess the new $65 million one in Lansdale is still a go. I'm trying to be nice today..(lol) ...so ....
Did the legal fees come due this month?

It'll hit everyone, even the suburbs, but it will be hardest on the City and inner-ring, of course.

The regionalization of parish schools has been a long time coming, and is necessary, honestly. It's just frustrating and disappointing that they've waited so long until the system is in a critical state. It would have been much less painful to reorganize the entire archdiocesan system 10 years ago (or more really, the demographic changes aren't new.)

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While it's sad that schools are closing, I think that this and the sale of the mansion have been a long time coming.

With all of the issues that the Catholic church has been facing recently, they really have to retrench. I actually think that the new Cardinal's decisions are applaudable - at least he's being practical.

And I'm saying this as a Catholic myself, albeit severely, sincerely lapsed.

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This is so bad for the kids. The Catholic schools that stay open will be full to capacity and unable to accept new students, the charter schools are really full already so the public schools will have HUGE classes and students won't end up getting enough attention. It's such a shame.

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codergrrl wrote:
Is this just Philly centric, or are we talking burbs as well? Guess the new $65 million one in Lansdale is still a go. I'm trying to be nice today..(lol) ...so ....
Did the legal fees come due this month?

There are rumors of 2 schools closing in the 'burbs, but the story keep changing as to which ones.

EDIT: Ok... the 2 schools in the burbs story is two specific high schools. The schools on the chopping block are a LOT of elementary schools scattered all over creation.

It doesn't make much sense for the Church to continue shutting down schools that also have large convents attached because they still have to maintain the school spaces unless they can find developers to cleave the buildings, which is next to impossible for some facilities.

The Church's goal is really to offload a lot of its fixed assets off the books, not so much what it's paying in teacher salaries. The fixed assets cost a lot of money to keep up and it's just as heavy as the payroll, so the regionalization scheme is to slash both a lot of properties off their books and also cut into payroll at the same time.

Considering the legal bills that the Church is paying to Ballard-Spahr, this is just sad.

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AM's picture

I have two left that go to Catholic schools. My son is a junior at Judge (first his grade school closed - Holy Name and then North Catholic closed while he was there). He said he doesn't care anymore which is really sad. Annie has her heart set on Hallahan for next year (she's in 8th now). She does care. I feel bad for the kids. Restructuring may be practical and necessary but it can be very painful for the families involved. I was devastated when they closed Holy Name and when North closed I was just disgusted. This time around I feel sort of deflated. All the struggle, all the sacrifices and it just keeps getting worse. Well that's my rant for the day . . .

"Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone . . . "

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I have three kids in three different Catholic Schools. My eldest graduates Hallahan this year, my middle daughter is in 7th grade now and the little one is in Pre K and will be going to my 12 year old's school for K next year. I hope their schools are safe, but I just don't know. I feel so sad for those kids in 7th grade and Juniors in Highschool that may not be going back to their schools next year. Just heartbreaking and as someone said earlier, it will have a huge impact around the Philadelphia area - for everyone.

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Kenzo wrote:
codergrrl wrote:
Is this just Philly centric, or are we talking burbs as well? Guess the new $65 million one in Lansdale is still a go. I'm trying to be nice today..(lol) ...so ....
Did the legal fees come due this month?

There are rumors of 2 schools closing in the 'burbs, but the story keep changing as to which ones.

In terms of suburban high schools, I've mostly heard Conwell Egan and McDevitt. The McDevitt rumors don't make sense to me though since so many Dougherty students moved there.

West Catholic is probably gone, potentially Hubert's too. How's Hallahan doing these days? I know a lot of folks around here are alumnae...

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Kat - Congratulations on your daughter's graduation from Hallahan (it's my alma mater) ! The school song is going through my head as I type this - Let a flood tide of song from our hearts pour along oh girls of the Hallahan High . . . I'm such a cornball !

"Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone . . . "

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AM wrote:
I have two left that go to Catholic schools. My son is a junior at Judge (first his grade school closed - Holy Name and then North Catholic closed while he was there). He said he doesn't care anymore which is really sad. Annie has her heart set on Hallahan for next year (she's in 8th now). She does care. I feel bad for the kids. Restructuring may be practical and necessary but it can be very painful for the families involved. I was devastated when they closed Holy Name and when North closed I was just disgusted. This time around I feel sort of deflated. All the struggle, all the sacrifices and it just keeps getting worse. Well that's my rant for the day . . .

Kat wrote:
I have three kids in three different Catholic Schools. My eldest graduates Hallahan this year, my middle daughter is in 7th grade now and the little one is in Pre K and will be going to my 12 year old's school for K next year. I hope their schools are safe, but I just don't know. I feel so sad for those kids in 7th grade and Juniors in Highschool that may not be going back to their schools next year. Just heartbreaking and as someone said earlier, it will have a huge impact around the Philadelphia area - for everyone.

It really is sad all around, and traumatic for the kids who have been in the schools a long time and are excited to graduate with all the same students and teachers. That's why I find it so frustrating that the archdiocese waits until the system is critical to react and reorganize.

If they started this process sooner, you could have a slow draw down of the closing schools instead of a sudden closure. Stop accepting new students the first year, close the lower grades and send those students to a regional school, let the top grades finsih out, potentially.

At the very least, if you did the reorganization when the system was still stronger and the student population was higher, you wouldn't have to lay off as many teachers. You could conceivably move two or three 7th grade classes into one school, but keep the kids and their teachers together to finish out elementary school together.

But alas. "Reactionary" only just begins to describe the archdiocese.

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I am still amazed that this hardly getting any national coverage.

This is way bigger than what happened in Boston and way more traumatic and emotional to everyone involved. What other major US diocese is basically in a state of sheer, sudden collapse like this?

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AM wrote:
Kat - Congratulations on your daughter's graduation from Hallahan (it's my alma mater) ! The school song is going through my head as I type this - Let a flood tide of song from our hearts pour along oh girls of the Hallahan High . . . I'm such a cornball !

Singing it as I type - but getting a bit misty! I hope that they keep Hallahan open - it is a great school with a wonderful history. Betty LOVED it and both Claire and Em want to go there (Claire is in 7th now). The whole vibe at that school is great and the teachers and staff rock. I never went to Catholic school - grew up in So Cal and went to suburban public schools my whole life. After moving out here I was really impressed with the passion people feel for their Catholic Schools...I kinda felt gypped (sp?)! It is a sad day for the teachers, staff, kids and friends of those schools that will close :(

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PS for AM:

Let a flood tide of song,
From our hearts pour along.
Oh girls oh the Hallahan High!
For our mother whose art,
Doth her knowledge impart o'er religion's grand ally.
She has given us dower of the mightiest power,
Enrolled us neath standard blest.
On whose azure fields triple lily sealed,
Inscribed the alumnaes test.
Let our lamps then outgleam,
With our faith's brightest beam.
Oh girls of the Hallahan High!
Oh girls of the Hallahan High!
Let the blue and the white,
In their radiant light.
Alma Mater Glorify!
Alma Mater Glorify!

:)

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Thanks Kat !

"Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone . . . "

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LITTLE FLOWER IS CLOSING

(Source: FB rumor mill... so take it or leave it.)

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Also from the Mayfair FB page:

as of now - bonner and prendie closed too -

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Kenzo wrote:
LITTLE FLOWER IS CLOSING

(Source: FB rumor mill... so take it or leave it.)

Saw that on the twitter as well... I know they have to ship all the Little Flower girls in to get there, but it's one of the few improving school's right now. In the black (that is, gives the archdiocese more than it takes) and has the highest percentage of alumnae contributions in the archdiocese. (Yes, even higher than Roman now... we're sore over that.)

So I'd be expecting some backlash on that one...

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Short list so far St. Hugh, hallahan, Little Flower all on chopping block leaks by fox news. This is so so sad

Tracey McCandless

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TLP wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
LITTLE FLOWER IS CLOSING

(Source: FB rumor mill... so take it or leave it.)

Saw that on the twitter as well... I know they have to ship all the Little Flower girls in to get there, but it's one of the few improving school's right now. In the black (that is, gives the archdiocese more than it takes) and has the highest percentage of alumnae contributions in the archdiocese. (Yes, even higher than Roman now... we're sore over that.)

So I'd be expecting some backlash on that one...

There's parents all the way up in Mayfair and parents who live near my house to make the trek across Kensington to send their kids there. That's just... unreal if this is true.

Maybe it will be one of the consolidated schools rather than a shut-down. That's a pretty large school on Luzerne and that's a massive property. Sure it's not the college campus sized Cardinal D but really... why leave a huge abandoned hulk like that when so many parents go out of their way to put their kids in there????

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tracey mccandless wrote:
Short list so far St. Hugh, hallahan, Little Flower all on chopping block leaks by fox news. This is so so sad

I heard Huberts and Little Flower, but Hallahan too? That's a little unbalanced... you can't close all of the all girls schools and leave all the remaining all boys. Unless maybe there will be some consolidation of the single sex schools? Sort of like the current Bonner/Prendie hybrid?

I have to stop checking for rumors... it's only going to get more confusing before 4pm.

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Ok, one last rumor... I'm seeing Bonner, Prendie, West, Egan, Huberts. Time to go off the grid.

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Closing Little Flower is the final nail in the coffin for Hunting Park.

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Just when I thought I couldn 't be any more disappointed with the Catholic church.

"Je Suis Prest"

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If you go to ArchPhila.org, an ominous TV tone is blaring on their front page.

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codergrrl wrote:
Just when I thought I couldn 't be any more disappointed with the Catholic church.

Same. :(

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Here's the live-tweets of what's happening at the meetings:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/school_files/Tweets-on-the-Catholic-school-closings.html?&c=n

Interesting: 3 upper darby police cars in msgr bonner parking lot to direct traffic, keep an eye on things. #phillyeducation #archschools [via Twitter]

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newskag confirmed - bonner/prendie, conwell-egan, hubert, w. catholic, all closing. 44 ES are closing/partnering. #phillyeducation #archschools

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7 DelCo elementary schools also shutting.

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I heard a rumor a week ago that my alma mater (Holy Savior, in Linwood) would be on the chopping block. Interesting since the school absorbed a lot of the kids from Chester in the 80s when those schools closed, I have no idea where they will send them.

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http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/01/06/4-high-schools-44-grade-schools-recommended-for-closure/

The four high schools on the list are West Catholic, St. Hubert’s, Conwell Egan and Monsignor Bonner-Archbishop Prendergast (two high schools that operate as a boys and girls schools on the same site).

The full list of grade schools is expected to be released shortly.

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@JeffGammage: Students weeping as they leave West Catholic. #phillyeducation

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MT @nbcphiladelphia: West Catholic student Will Go to Roman Catholic or Hallahan, Bonner & Prendie Students Will Go to Archbsp Carroll

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I'm sure the Carroll students are going to lurve that.

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Kenzo wrote:
@JeffGammage: Students weeping as they leave West Catholic. #phillyeducation

Makes me so sad for them.

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st peter still open. st laurentius students will go to st peter. having lived for years behind st peter, i really would miss the kids.

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got it: "St. Laurentius merges with St. Peter the Apostle at the 5th Street site."

i'm going to miss seeing the kids being dropped off in the morning on berks.

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Pope John Paul in Bridesburg is closing. The kids will be going to my old neighborhood, to St. Tim's. Good news for my old block, bad news for Bridesburg kids and parents.

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Not that it makes anyone feel any better. St. Pete's school is huge, at one time the first 2 floors were for the grammar school, the third floor was for the business school and the fourth had the business school library but was mostly unused space. There was a cafeteria in the basement and a nice sized school yard. The nuns were School Sisters of Notre Dame while the priest were Redemporist.

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snailgem wrote:
got it: "St. Laurentius merges with St. Peter the Apostle at the 5th Street site."

i'm going to miss seeing the kids being dropped off in the morning on berks.

I despise the Archdiocese's preference to use the word "merge" when it is going to be leaving a lot of empty carcasses of buildings behind in its wake long after this is over.

Bonner/Prendie is a huge property in Upper Darby. I can see Upper Darby High annexing Bonner/Prendie's property for expansion and the rest being demolished to put in yet another strip mall since the school is located on two major commercial streets and sits on prime real estate.

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Kenzo wrote:
I despise the Archdiocese's preference to use the word "merge" when it is going to be leaving a lot of empty carcasses of buildings behind in its wake long after this is over.

It's not their fault that people don't send their kids to catholic schools anymore (i know i know it sorta is, but the decline in enrollment began long before the scandle broke into the news) Long story short, there are not as many believers as their used to be. The number of people in service on sunday is also way down.

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I wonder when the list of Parishes will be announced; I'm just so sick over this. I never thought that I would live to see this day. :( :( :(

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Sooo Fishtown doesnt have a catholic school after june . Awesome job

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kwhln215 wrote:
Sooo Fishtown doesnt have a catholic school after june . Awesome job

I hope some kool kats from NYC buy it.

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Pure_Fishtown wrote:
I wonder when the list of Parishes will be announced; I'm just so sick over this. I never thought that I would live to see this day. :( :( :(

Oh we all know that's coming. That was the final stage in Boston; parish enlargement.

The question will be: Is Holy Name safe, or will everything move over to St. Anne's? Since St. Anne's school closed last year you have to wonder who is on the short stick. That's a terrible decision to make.

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CaptainStarnsSeaFood wrote:
kwhln215 wrote:
Sooo Fishtown doesnt have a catholic school after june . Awesome job

I hope some kool kats from NYC buy it.

Someone could demo the insides and turn it into THE killer house in Fishtown.

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kwhln215 wrote:
Sooo Fishtown doesnt have a catholic school after june . Awesome job

This happened to my mom when she was in high school. She went to public school her senior year, which was for social reasons, a real bummer. While it wouldn't even register as a blip on her list of life's hardships, it's still a bummer, so I feel bad for the kids.
However, maybe this will lead to an improvement in the public schools in Fishtown, as more active parents enroll their kids and send their hopefully well-behaved kids to help change the classroom dynamic. Maybe. This is all loose speculation, since I don't know anything about the schools here or what the parents will likely do for their kids, which could just as easily be a longer train ride to a further Catholic school. I'm just trying to find a bright side. It's never a good day when a bunch of schools close.

Love is a Mattlefield.

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Some of the changes in the NE are pretty interesting/scary. St. Williams (Lawncrest) "merges" with St. Cecilias (Fox Chase). Our Lady of Ransom (the Mayfair-like area west of the Blvd) "merges" with Resurrection (Rhawnhurst). St. Martins (Oxford Circle) survives as a "Mission School", but I don't know what that means yet.

This is the abandonment of anything south of Cottman Ave.

EDIT: Map of the relevant Pastoral Planning Area, for those interested: http://archphila.org/pastplan/MAPS/520.pdf

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CaptainStarnsSeaFood wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
I despise the Archdiocese's preference to use the word "merge" when it is going to be leaving a lot of empty carcasses of buildings behind in its wake long after this is over.

It's not their fault that people don't send their kids to catholic schools anymore (i know i know it sorta is, but the decline in enrollment began long before the scandle broke into the news) Long story short, there are not as many believers as their used to be. The number of people in service on sunday is also way down.

That's the reform part.

No reforms to attract the new generations + hard liners returned to the Vatican, scaring away converts in the countries where Catholicism is firmly established + dodgy priests + leaderless bishops == the money starts to disappear == collapse.

Rome has spoken out several times that it's excited about it's missions and expansions in Africa. And then with when Anglicans reached a near schism over gay clergy, the Catholic Church had the NERVE to ham it up and extend their arms out to Anglicans who expressed a desire to leave, at the same time they're not handling the sex scandal. Which for other beliefs and atheists, it made the Church look like a laughing stock.

The Vatican is setting itself up for a massive reform or a schism in the dioceses. The winds of change are blowing.

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And our poor babies from St laurentius can go to school on the 15 trolley with all the babbling drooling methadone idiots... can anyone say
Shell Shock?

Tracey McCandless

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The shock of closure is hitting particularly hard in Mayfair:

newskag Kristen Graham
Hubert's teacher: “I’ve never seen anything as devastating here. And we’ve dealt with suicides.” #phillyeducation #archschools

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Not to negate the losing of the last Fishtown school, a majority of the St. Laurentius kids were delivered in cars to school; so I don't think this is going to present a big problem. AND ... because of distances, the SDP might have to provide transportation.

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newskag Kristen Graham
Phila. SD says they don't expect to get a big influx of kids from #archphilly closings, if historical trends play out. #phillyeducation

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TLP wrote:
Some of the changes in the NE are pretty interesting/scary. St. Williams (Lawncrest) "merges" with St. Cecilias (Fox Chase). Our Lady of Ransom (the Mayfair-like area west of the Blvd) "merges" with Resurrection (Rhawnhurst). St. Martins (Oxford Circle) survives as a "Mission School", but I don't know what that means yet.

This is the abandonment of anything south of Cottman Ave.

EDIT: Map of the relevant Pastoral Planning Area, for those interested: http://archphila.org/pastplan/MAPS/520.pdf

The mass exodus of Mayfair residents will begin shortly after this.

I mean The Healing Way methadone clinic, which is still up in the air, has already helped dramatically accelerate the people putting up their houses for sale.

But now St. Hubert's? Anybody who has a teen daughter or going to have a teen daughter soon now has to drive out of their way. I seriously doubt St. Hubert's kids will be going to Lincoln High School, even though it was just demolished and completely rebuilt.

Not gonna happen.

People would rather move to Bucks County and take a chance on the public schools up there than stay in Mayfair and put their kids in Lincoln. I would imagine there will be increases in enrollment in the new charters that have popped up in Tacony.

The only thing that might delay that is that kids MUST attend school and with so many people listing their houses all at once already up there, it will be a long time before people get what they want for their house; so they may be forced into putting their kids into SDP if they can't re-arrange their lives to move their kids to the other schools far away or for economic reasons they can't sell their house because they can't afford to pay rent or a mortgage because they already own.

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Kenzo wrote:
TLP wrote:
Some of the changes in the NE are pretty interesting/scary. St. Williams (Lawncrest) "merges" with St. Cecilias (Fox Chase). Our Lady of Ransom (the Mayfair-like area west of the Blvd) "merges" with Resurrection (Rhawnhurst). St. Martins (Oxford Circle) survives as a "Mission School", but I don't know what that means yet.

This is the abandonment of anything south of Cottman Ave.

EDIT: Map of the relevant Pastoral Planning Area, for those interested: http://archphila.org/pastplan/MAPS/520.pdf

The mass exodus of Mayfair residents will begin shortly after this.

I mean The Healing Way methadone clinic, which is still up in the air, has already helped dramatically accelerate the people putting up their houses for sale.

But now St. Hubert's? Anybody who has a teen daughter or going to have a teen daughter soon now has to drive out of their way. I seriously doubt St. Hubert's kids will be going to Lincoln High School, even though it was just demolished and completely rebuilt.

Not gonna happen.

People would rather move to Bucks County and take a chance on the public schools up there than stay in Mayfair and put their kids in Lincoln. I would imagine there will be increases in enrollment in the new charters that have popped up in Tacony.

The only thing that might delay that is that kids MUST attend school and with so many people listing their houses all at once already up there, it will be a long time before people get what they want for their house; so they may be forced into putting their kids into SDP if they can't re-arrange their lives to move their kids to the other schools far away or for economic reasons they can't sell their house because they can't afford to pay rent or a mortgage because they already own.

Little Flower has plenty of capacity. I hope the Mayfair parents are willing to put their girls on the charter bus to Hunting Park.

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TLP wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
TLP wrote:
Some of the changes in the NE are pretty interesting/scary. St. Williams (Lawncrest) "merges" with St. Cecilias (Fox Chase). Our Lady of Ransom (the Mayfair-like area west of the Blvd) "merges" with Resurrection (Rhawnhurst). St. Martins (Oxford Circle) survives as a "Mission School", but I don't know what that means yet.

This is the abandonment of anything south of Cottman Ave.

EDIT: Map of the relevant Pastoral Planning Area, for those interested: http://archphila.org/pastplan/MAPS/520.pdf

The mass exodus of Mayfair residents will begin shortly after this.

I mean The Healing Way methadone clinic, which is still up in the air, has already helped dramatically accelerate the people putting up their houses for sale.

But now St. Hubert's? Anybody who has a teen daughter or going to have a teen daughter soon now has to drive out of their way. I seriously doubt St. Hubert's kids will be going to Lincoln High School, even though it was just demolished and completely rebuilt.

Not gonna happen.

People would rather move to Bucks County and take a chance on the public schools up there than stay in Mayfair and put their kids in Lincoln. I would imagine there will be increases in enrollment in the new charters that have popped up in Tacony.

The only thing that might delay that is that kids MUST attend school and with so many people listing their houses all at once already up there, it will be a long time before people get what they want for their house; so they may be forced into putting their kids into SDP if they can't re-arrange their lives to move their kids to the other schools far away or for economic reasons they can't sell their house because they can't afford to pay rent or a mortgage because they already own.

Little Flower has plenty of capacity. I hope the Mayfair parents are willing to put their girls on the charter bus to Hunting Park.

They already do that now. Not all Mayfair girls go to St. Hubert's. Little Flower is heavily represented by Port Richmond, Fishtown, Kensington, Frankford, Northwood, Bridesburg but it's very convenient to Mayfair Moms because it's a straight shot to the Boulevard and you only have to sit in Hunting Park for about six minutes.

Most of the Mayfair that is represented though is West Mayfair. You can ride up Bustleton pretty fast and get to LF quick. It's convenient to people who have to work out west.

If you step one foot away from Little Flower you land in Toxic Waste Beirut Philly though (Hunting Park). The cops swing by to help guard the front and back of the school during openings/closings so the kids get in and out safely.

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Announcement is now: archphila.org

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q: number of teachers and students displaced? a: 20,000 students. 1,500 teachers, 80 administrators. #phillyeduaction #archschools

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Matt , Not one of the parents i know will never allow their kids to go a public school . I understand the business end but St Laurentius was operating in the black year in and year out . I just dont get it . Im glad my nieces and nephews go to school in cinnaminson . Amazing schools

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kwhln215 wrote:
Matt , Not one of the parents i know will never allow their kids to go a public school . I understand the business end but St Laurentius was operating in the black year in and year out . I just dont get it . Im glad my nieces and nephews go to school in cinnaminson . Amazing schools

Did you go to Catholic school? I'm curious as to who here went to public school, Catholic school, or whatever other private school.
I went to public school. It worked pretty well for me, but it was probably a little better than the average neighborhood Philadelphia high school, but not as nice as the really good ones that require placement in Philadelphia.

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Holy Name of Jesus (Berks & Gaul Streets)
Bishop Neumann Business School (5th & Girard)

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Kenzo wrote:
snailgem wrote:
got it: "St. Laurentius merges with St. Peter the Apostle at the 5th Street site."

i'm going to miss seeing the kids being dropped off in the morning on berks.

I despise the Archdiocese's preference to use the word "merge" when it is going to be leaving a lot of empty carcasses of buildings behind in its wake long after this is over.

Bonner/Prendie is a huge property in Upper Darby. I can see Upper Darby High annexing Bonner/Prendie's property for expansion and the rest being demolished to put in yet another strip mall since the school is located on two major commercial streets and sits on prime real estate.

As an UD alum I am soo very sad to hear this new losing that option for parents in that area is terrible UD HS is SO overcrowded and has such serious issues i have no idea what will happen - At last I heard US HS had close to 4 thousand kids in the school where in the world will they put more its ridiculous,ANd I am sure the alumni of Bonner and Prendie are going to go NUTs particularly after the insane efforts they put fourth about 3 years ago for all the new landscaping and fields they built.

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Here we go ... Holy name 1st - 7th , Our Lady of Calvery ( 8th ) - Ryan frosh - north catholic soph-junior Ryan senior . I am a year away from having to make the decision on my son . For K i think we will do public but 1st grade he will go to MDG where my ex's girls go .

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I went to public school, my husband went to public school, and my kids will be going to public school. My daughter starts Adaire in 2013.
I consider myself a decent parent.

Matt Benatar wrote:
kwhln215 wrote:
Matt , Not one of the parents i know will never allow their kids to go a public school . I understand the business end but St Laurentius was operating in the black year in and year out . I just dont get it . Im glad my nieces and nephews go to school in cinnaminson . Amazing schools

Did you go to Catholic school? I'm curious as to who here went to public school, Catholic school, or whatever other private school.
I went to public school. It worked pretty well for me, but it was probably a little better than the average neighborhood Philadelphia high school, but not as nice as the really good ones that require placement in Philadelphia.

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A -You are more than a decent parent, I know that for a fact. Where you send your kids is a totally personal decision and I am not judging where anyone sends their kids.

Our CHOICE is Catholic Education and it has worked out really well. Nunzio always went to Catholic School - all of his family did. When we moved to the City, I was not impressed or confident with the neighborhood public schools (our opinion only) and we decided Catholic for our girls. I never went to Catholic school - there really were not alot of Catholic schools where I grew up and it was such a fru-fru area of So Cal that the public schools were like private anyway. Many kids thrive and do amazingly well in public schools. I think it depends on the parents involvement as well - especially in public schools.

Anyway, all three of my kids' schools were safe THIS TIME, but my heart seriously breaks for all the kids whose schools will be closing/merging. Sorry to babble.

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Oh, I am not bashing Catholic schools. I just wanted to let people know that some parents ARE okay with sending their kids to public schools. I guess I am really tired of defending my choice.

I do know some kids who will be affected by this and it is really sad. I think when any school closes, it is sad. I am personally saddened by the closure of Sheppard in North Philly. They have a a great principal and were doing really great things. :(

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Matt Benatar wrote:
kwhln215 wrote:
Matt , Not one of the parents i know will never allow their kids to go a public school . I understand the business end but St Laurentius was operating in the black year in and year out . I just dont get it . Im glad my nieces and nephews go to school in cinnaminson . Amazing schools

Did you go to Catholic school? I'm curious as to who here went to public school, Catholic school, or whatever other private school.
I went to public school. It worked pretty well for me, but it was probably a little better than the average neighborhood Philadelphia high school, but not as nice as the really good ones that require placement in Philadelphia.

My family is heavily mixed. My parents being military, attended "whatever church is closest to wherever it is we happen to be living in".

So I spent most of my years in Baptist/Methodist and attending mass several times a year, and went to public schools. I grew up in a heavily Hispanic region, where most Catholics are Hispanic; so my reason for attending services was, of course, my friends go there and I happened to be hanging out with them that particular weekend.

Or, one of my own family members had an event at their local Catholic church, so the entire Protestant family is obligated to go. I can tell you EVERYTHING you would ever want to know about how to throw a killer Quinceañera party.

I then went to Catholic University. The reasons were practical: small class sizes, quiet campus, and the tuition didn't fluctuate by much from year to year unlike public universities which can change a lot... and I paid my own way through university. My parents did not spend a dime on my college education, not because they didn't want to... but life didn't work out for them like they hoped.

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Holy Name grades 1-8 (didn't have kindergarten)
Then Philadelphia High School for Girls, for a year. Great school, but I was the type of kid who needed that discipline that the Catholics mete out. Lasted one year...went from straight A's to almost all F's.
Got shipped back to the Catlicks, did two years at St. Annes Business school, graduated when I was 16 years old,(was class president, but there were only like 18 of us in a class, and I think they voted for me cause I scared them), with a diploma that was essentially worthless, (if you were interested in any further education or civil job). But I did have a full time job (secretarial) right out of school.
I think schools are what you make of them. The religious part of catholic school was my biggest problem with it.
The problem with Catholic schools is the cost, plain and simple.

"Je Suis Prest"