Forum replies are now "newest first"

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a way yet that lets you choose whether you want newest first or newest last.
While I prefer newest last, it seems most folks prefer newest first.
So, until I can find a way to let users choose, I'm afraid it's going to be "newest first".

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

dan

Okay, forget that.
It doesn't play nice with the comment order.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

sdm's picture

I am all confused now. Never understood newer first. Do you also read books from end to beginning?

From welfare to Mayfair.

dan

okay, happening again.
sheesh.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

Susquehanna's picture

sdm wrote:
I am all confused now. Never understood newer first. Do you also read books from end to beginning?

i'm guessing it's the way social media users like to (or have been forced to) read. i prefer newer last on desktop viewing, but i'm indifferent to it when using touch-enabled mobile browsers. what i like about this new fishtown.us is you click on "new" replies link and it takes you right to the new content. with new posts last, you'd have to scroll or click to the page on the old site.

stillLife's picture

Dislike

meredith's picture

i prefer newest last. this reminds me of the india-wedding seinfeld episode.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

Leo's picture

DISLIKE.

NEW POSTS LAST PLZ.

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Jordan's picture

I like it however the old message board was.

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Kat's picture

Too confusing for my brain.

meredith's picture

listen to the masses, dan! first-to-last, please!

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

dan

meredith wrote:
listen to the masses, dan! first-to-last, please!

That's my favorite way to, but "the masses" seem to prefer the other way.
I'll take a poll. :)

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

meredith's picture

dan wrote:
meredith wrote:
listen to the masses, dan! first-to-last, please!

That's my favorite way to, but "the masses" seem to prefer the other way.
I'll take a poll. :)

perfect. th, you'd better not sabotage this.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

codergrrl's picture

How does Dan not hate every single one of us?

"Je Suis Prest"

meredith's picture

codergrrl wrote:
How does Dan not hate every single one of us?

he probably relies on god to do that for him. i'm fairly certain that, while i don't personally believe in god, if he or she does exist, i am probably on the hate list.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

dan

codergrrl wrote:
How does Dan not hate every single one of us?

you're making a mighty big presumption there. ;)

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

meredith's picture

oh, man. team oldest-first is losing big time. you, th.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

fuzzybottoms's picture

I'm just really lazy and hate scrolling to the bottom of the page to read the newest comment. Yes, I know it's a bit pathetic, but it's the truth. So I much prefer the newest first option.

dan

Yeah, we're getting clobbered.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

lighterthief's picture

I like newest first.. makes it so much easier to justify an ignorant post based on not reading the whole thread first

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face

meredith's picture

fuzzybottoms wrote:
I'm just really lazy and hate scrolling to the bottom of the page to read the newest comment. Yes, I know it's a bit pathetic, but it's the truth. So I much prefer the newest first option.

newest-first is good for when you're up to date on all of the threads, but when you have a lot of new posts to read, it's very confusing and annoying.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

fuzzybottoms's picture

meredith wrote:
fuzzybottoms wrote:
I'm just really lazy and hate scrolling to the bottom of the page to read the newest comment. Yes, I know it's a bit pathetic, but it's the truth. So I much prefer the newest first option.

newest-first is good for when you're up to date on all of the threads, but when you have a lot of new posts to read, it's very confusing and annoying.

It's easy to be up to date when I spend an inordinate amount of time on FT.us while at work.

sdm's picture

Why can't we just go back to having the option on a personal level?

From welfare to Mayfair.

dan

sdm wrote:
Why can't we just go back to having the option on a personal level?

Please read the original post in the thread.
You can even stop after the first sentence. :)
Thank you.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

sdm's picture

dan wrote:
sdm wrote:
Why can't we just go back to having the option on a personal level?

Please read the original post in the thread.
You can even stop after the first sentence. :)
Thank you.

Sorry, the working theory among some of my friends is that I had a stroke this morning, so my reading is not up to par at the moment.

From welfare to Mayfair.

meredith's picture

sdm wrote:
dan wrote:
sdm wrote:
Why can't we just go back to having the option on a personal level?

Please read the original post in the thread.
You can even stop after the first sentence. :)
Thank you.

Sorry, the working theory among some of my friends is that I had a stroke this morning, so my reading is not up to par at the moment.

eh?

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

sdm's picture

meredith wrote:
sdm wrote:
dan wrote:
sdm wrote:
Why can't we just go back to having the option on a personal level?

Please read the original post in the thread.
You can even stop after the first sentence. :)
Thank you.

Sorry, the working theory among some of my friends is that I had a stroke this morning, so my reading is not up to par at the moment.

eh?

This morning I sneezed so hard I lost feeling in my legs. The most common response was that I had a stroke.

From welfare to Mayfair.

meredith's picture

sdm wrote:
meredith wrote:
sdm wrote:
dan wrote:
sdm wrote:
Why can't we just go back to having the option on a personal level?

Please read the original post in the thread.
You can even stop after the first sentence. :)
Thank you.

Sorry, the working theory among some of my friends is that I had a stroke this morning, so my reading is not up to par at the moment.

eh?

This morning I sneezed so hard I lost feeling in my legs. The most common response was that I had a stroke.

that's very strange.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

sdm's picture

meredith wrote:
sdm wrote:
meredith wrote:
sdm wrote:
dan wrote:
sdm wrote:
Why can't we just go back to having the option on a personal level?

Please read the original post in the thread.
You can even stop after the first sentence. :)
Thank you.

Sorry, the working theory among some of my friends is that I had a stroke this morning, so my reading is not up to par at the moment.

eh?

This morning I sneezed so hard I lost feeling in my legs. The most common response was that I had a stroke.

that's very strange.

Pretty par for the course for me.

From welfare to Mayfair.

bozoloper's picture

alcohol withdrawal can cause seizures. you didn't go to quizzo last night. i think the answer is obvious.

nothin' bring you down like your hometown.

sdm's picture

bozoloper wrote:
alcohol withdrawal can cause seizures. you didn't go to quizzo last night. i think the answer is obvious.

Yeah I've been dry for a week. I put the money to good use and bought myself presents at Franklin Mills today.

From welfare to Mayfair.

bozoloper's picture

you can facebook "like" a thread now?

nothin' bring you down like your hometown.

codergrrl's picture

It might just be me, but I have no idea who is saying what now. I know its from someone of a certain group that I can identify by avatars, etc, but it looks much more confusing than how it looked yesterday.

"Je Suis Prest"

meredith's picture

codergrrl wrote:
It might just be me, but I have no idea who is saying what now. I know its from someone of a certain group that I can identify by avatars, etc, but it looks much more confusing than how it looked yesterday.

i kind of agree with this. dan, can you put the quotes in a light blue color or something to separate them better from the reply?

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

sdm's picture

codergrrl wrote:
It might just be me, but I have no idea who is saying what now. I know its from someone of a certain group that I can identify by avatars, etc, but it looks much more confusing than how it looked yesterday.

The names are tucked away in the upper right which does make it a bit more difficult, but it's a small price to not have the forum look like it did yesterday.

From welfare to Mayfair.

meredith's picture

50/50 now! we actually have a chance.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

codergrrl's picture

No, its backwards. Avatars on the wrong side.
Once someone posts, thats evident, but the replies are confusing.
Are you driving a cab now?

"Je Suis Prest"

lighterthief's picture

this avatar on the wrong side thing is giving me a headache

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face

austen's picture

sdm wrote:
This morning I sneezed so hard I lost feeling in my legs. The most common response was that I had a stroke.

Maybe you pinched a nerve. I think if you had a stroke you'd lose feeling on one side of your body.

codergrrl's picture

austen wrote:
sdm wrote:
This morning I sneezed so hard I lost feeling in my legs. The most common response was that I had a stroke.

Maybe you pinched a nerve. I think if you had a stroke you'd lose feeling on one side of your body.

Yeah, you didn't stroke out. Stick out your tongue and see if it deviates to one side or another, or have someone watch your eyes as you follow a target from right to left...if they're working together, your fine.
Walk it off...

"Je Suis Prest"

sdm's picture

austen wrote:
sdm wrote:
This morning I sneezed so hard I lost feeling in my legs. The most common response was that I had a stroke.

Maybe you pinched a nerve. I think if you had a stroke you'd lose feeling on one side of your body.

I've also sneezed myself blind before. That was fun.

From welfare to Mayfair.

bozoloper's picture

sdm wrote:
I've also sneezed myself blind before. That was fun.

i thought i was the most violent sneezer i knew, but you win.

nothin' bring you down like your hometown.

austen's picture

codergrrl wrote:
austen wrote:
sdm wrote:
This morning I sneezed so hard I lost feeling in my legs. The most common response was that I had a stroke.

Maybe you pinched a nerve. I think if you had a stroke you'd lose feeling on one side of your body.

Yeah, you didn't stroke out. Stick out your tongue and see if it deviates to one side or another, or have someone watch your eyes as you follow a target from right to left...if they're working together, your fine.
Walk it off...

You have now been diagnosed by two quizzo winners. Take as gospel.

newfish's picture

I think the avatars need to be moved back to a more prominent position.

dan

bozoloper wrote:
you can facebook "like" a thread now?

yes

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

bozoloper's picture

that's pretty cool.

nothin' bring you down like your hometown.

sdm's picture

bozoloper wrote:
that's pretty cool.

Ok, Miley.

From welfare to Mayfair.

Leo's picture

sdm wrote:

I've also sneezed myself blind before. That was fun.

Has it occurred to you to see a doctor about this?

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sdm's picture

I saw Dr. Toboggan, Mantis Toboggan. He told me just to rub some Tussin on it and walk it off.

From welfare to Mayfair.

george's picture

OK, you didn't get rid of me despite your best efforts. I should definitely go in the "oldest" category, however.

Does this new format have a 'Sumerian' option?

Frank Jones's picture

newest last please. With long posts you have to scroll up, then scroll down to read it, then scroll up past it.

Dan, why dont you change the text format option in the user settings to be a sort order option. that way you dont have to change the database and it is user specific. I would think default sort order is more important than text format and if you have to update drupal and forget to tie the original "text format" to "sort order" it would fail gracefully.

stein wrote:
It is nice to be so privileged that you can be oblivious to a pretty popular stereotype in the canon of racism.

brooke's picture

Newest first would make more sense if the "add new comment" box was at the top. It doesn't make sense to enter a thread, go to the end of it to start reading it and when you get back up to the top, have to go to the bottom again to enter a comment.

I voted the wrong way--voted for newest first because apparently not working is eating my brain. (Back to work if all goes well on January 3).

Former attorney and current CITYSPACE real estate agent extraordinaire

Frank Jones's picture

Frank Jones wrote:
Dan, why dont you change the text format option in the user settings to be a sort order option. that way you dont have to change the database and it is user specific. I would think default sort order is more important than text format and if you have to update drupal and forget to tie the original "text format" to "sort order" it would fail gracefully.

I'll do this if you want. Let me know.

stein wrote:
It is nice to be so privileged that you can be oblivious to a pretty popular stereotype in the canon of racism.

dan

Frank Jones wrote:
Frank Jones wrote:
Dan, why dont you change the text format option in the user settings to be a sort order option. that way you dont have to change the database and it is user specific. I would think default sort order is more important than text format and if you have to update drupal and forget to tie the original "text format" to "sort order" it would fail gracefully.

I'll do this if you want. Let me know.

I'm wondering how.
It's not about any kind of database change at all.
I just haven't been able to find a "sort order" option for comments that is 7.x compatible and user-selectable.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

Frank Jones's picture

It would be a custom thing. I know wordpress has a way to make customizations so updates don't destroy your customized bits. Drupal might have the same. But even if it does not you just customize it so that whatever value is in the "text formatting" option of the database affects sort order. Of course if you do this then you would have to have a default text formatting. Text formatting seems less important than sort order.

So what modules are you using with this? Or is it the default installation?

stein wrote:
It is nice to be so privileged that you can be oblivious to a pretty popular stereotype in the canon of racism.

jbette01's picture

oh sweet mercy I was avoiding this thread, so I had to *go to page 2*, start there, and then read backwards.

That poll is bunk.

meredith's picture

so, since we won, when will it be changed to oldest first?

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

Pure_Fishtown's picture

All I can say is UGGGGHHH. Can we chose how the replies are viewed?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

bonzombiekitty's picture

"newest last" is now winning the poll. Personally, I hate hate hate "newest first". If you miss a bunch of posts, you have to page forward, read down, scroll up, read down, go back a page, scroll up, read down...

It's counter intuitive.

dan

The 3/5th supermajority wins. Comments are going back to "newest last".
Queues beat Stacks with the masses.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

stein's picture

sdm wrote:
I am all confused now. Never understood newer first. Do you also read books from end to beginning?

it makes a big difference if you are on a mobile device.

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dan

A big reminder to everybody -
If you are in the "Recent Posts" listing, go to the "Replies" column and click on "# new".
That will automatically skip you over the older posts to the newest ones.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

meredith's picture

dan wrote:
A big reminder to everybody -
If you are in the "Recent Posts" listing, go to the "Replies" column and click on "# new".
That will automatically skip you over the older posts to the newest one.

thank you!

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

sdm's picture

stein wrote:
sdm wrote:
I am all confused now. Never understood newer first. Do you also read books from end to beginning?

it makes a big difference if you are on a mobile device.

I used the old site all the time from my phone with newest last and no issues.

From welfare to Mayfair.

stein's picture

Obviously you can use it with newest last but its a lot more scrolling. I also dislike having multiple pages to click through so I also had it set up with the maximum amount of posts per page (whatever that was). Clicking the '2 new' link was much smaller and required doing some zooming to reliably hit.

its not really a big deal either way, but 50/100 posts per page and newest first was the best combo of readability on both mobile and desktop devices, in my opinion.

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

dan

stein wrote:
I also dislike having multiple pages to click through so I also had it set up with the maximum amount of posts per page (whatever that was). .

I made that change just now when I switched to "oldest first". It's now 300 per page.
That's the same setting I used on the old site also.

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

bozoloper's picture

yeah, i liked being able to have 100 posts a page.

nothin' bring you down like your hometown.

Pure_Fishtown's picture

dan wrote:
A big reminder to everybody -
If you are in the "Recent Posts" listing, go to the "Replies" column and click on "# new".
That will automatically skip you over the older posts to the newest ones.

Thank you for this info. Makes it a lot easier than scrolling.

Is this our Christmas gift? :)

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

dan

Pure_Fishtown wrote:
dan wrote:
A big reminder to everybody -
If you are in the "Recent Posts" listing, go to the "Replies" column and click on "# new".
That will automatically skip you over the older posts to the newest ones.

Thank you for this info. Makes it a lot easier than scrolling.

Is this our Christmas gift? :)

Actuallly, that feature has been part of the website for at least 5 years. :)

"I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it." - D.L. Moody

stein's picture

we now have to go through those stupid captchas for every post?

edit, or not? i had to put in a verification code when i posted on bozo's airport parking thread but none here. what gives?

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
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bozoloper's picture

the "quote" function isn't working.

nothin' bring you down like your hometown.

meredith's picture

bozoloper wrote:
the "quote" function isn't working.

it seems to be for me.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

bozoloper's picture

meredith wrote:
bozoloper wrote:
the "quote" function isn't working.

it seems to be for me.

yeah, i think i may have been clicking "reply" instead. my bad.

nothin' bring you down like your hometown.

stein's picture

it is somewhat weird that the reply button exists at all, but I'm pretty sure Dan said he just doesnt know how to get rid of it yet.

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

codergrrl's picture

stein wrote:
we now have to go through those stupid captchas for every post?

edit, or not? i had to put in a verification code when i posted on bozo's airport parking thread but none here. what gives?

Might be because you posted a link? It happened to me too on the massage thread, when I posted links.

"Je Suis Prest"

Kenzo's picture

Ugh I hate having to hold down PgDn now to read.

And try that on a Mac where there's no PgDn key.

On the advice of someone who probably queened-out, this signature has been deleted.

Leo's picture

Kenzo wrote:
Ugh I hate having to hold down PgDn now to read.

And try that on a Mac where there's no PgDn key.

Isn't it Cmd + down arrow, or Option + down arrow?

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stein's picture

you just have to get used to clicking on the "3 new" link instead of the title link.

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens