Girard Ave SEPTA Construction Update

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Normally I dont post directly from the FNA website, but this issue was brought up here:

From our SEPTA representative –

The work underway on Girard Ave from 2nd St to Frankford Ave is routine track maintenance – grinding, welding and replacement of track and concrete. This is not a long term project, SEPTA is scheduled to complete this project around mid-March 2012. SEPTA has committeed to letting FNA know if there are any substantial shortening or delays in the schedule.

Please share this info with your friends and neighbors!

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KingDingAling's picture

SEPTA says it'll be done mid March, 2012. Since it's SEPTA we're talking about I think a more realistic timeline would be mid March, 2013.

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sdm's picture

At least this is a sign that they might actually bring the trolley back instead of keeping it a bus route.

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codergrrl's picture

sdm wrote:
At least this is a sign that they might actually bring the trolley back instead of keeping it a bus route.

Which is NOT a good thing, for anybody who regularly take the #15.

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codergrrl wrote:
sdm wrote:
At least this is a sign that they might actually bring the trolley back instead of keeping it a bus route.

Which is NOT a good thing, for anybody who regularly take the #15.

How so?

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sdm wrote:
codergrrl wrote:
sdm wrote:
At least this is a sign that they might actually bring the trolley back instead of keeping it a bus route.

Which is NOT a good thing, for anybody who regularly take the #15.

How so?

Because the trolleys are like idiot robots. They go straight...on tracks. Put anything on the track and they stop. Fire engines, broken down vehicles, police cars doing a car stop, (and they don't move, I've experienced it), car accidents, etc. And then there's another stuck behind it, and then another one.
So when its bad weather, and you're standing there from two hours wondering what happened, little do you know that way back at 52nd and Girard there's a fire, and the fireman have to have the hose go across the tracks...and you're waiting, and you're waiting. After about two hours, minimum, in my experience, they might send a bus, IF they have one.
Trolleys suck, and I don't care how cute those geeks who actually ride them with timetables, and get out and take pictures, think they are.

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I am one of those geeks. Trolleys are awesome. Many other major cities in the US have been adding them, while we're tearing them up.

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codergrrl's picture

They should at least send a bus every other one, in case of problems.
Some people need them to get to jobs, not to just gaze at in appreciation of how wonderful mass transit was fifty years ago.

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Pure_Fishtown's picture

Totally agree with you Coder! The trolleys work great when they work but when something goes wrong; you are STUCK! SEPTA does not put out buses right away to help get the people to their destinations; usually you have to wait at least an hour before seeing anything. The people who have to take them everyday to work are at their mercy. Thank the Lord, I don't have to use it anymore.

I feel for those who have to get their kids from daycare or after school programs and the darn thing isn't running. The suggestion of a bus after a couple of trolleys would be a great idea.

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Susquehanna's picture

i run past the (future) end station for the 15 trolley at Frankford's end regularly. the foundation and plumbing for the SEPTA bathrooms are underway. for those of us that live east of Frankford who use the columbia through berks stops, it seems we'll lose service when the tracks are complete.

codergrrl's picture

Yes. From what I understand, the 73 bus will continue north on Richmond Street, over to Girard to pick us up, and turn somewhere and go back.
I figure one of these days soon, I'll just be standing there waiting, and be surprised.
Also..they're changing the names of the C bus soon. See below for further info.

Route Designation Changes | Beginning Sunday, February 19, 2012
Ever looked at a Route C destination sign and wondered if it would take you as far as you wanted to travel or gotten on a bus that only went to 15th & Market when you wanted to go to Broad & Snyder? This is a major route serving a lot of people, but if any of these situations happened to you then you know why we're making it two separate routes: 4 & 16.

Route Designations & Destinations
Route 4 | Fern Rock Transportation Center to Broad & Pattison
As part of the change, Route 4 will be extended to connect with AT&T Station on the Broad Street Line

Route 16 | Cheltenham & Ogontz to City Hall (15th & Market)

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Kenzo's picture

According to the GPS thigie I've never seen more than FOUR of those PTCs running at any given time. Ugh, if there's only 4 PTC cars then put on 5 more buses, otherwise who in the world would want to rely on the 15 to commute anywhere if it's nearly an hour between headways? For a major route on Girard that passes by the Zoo, ESP, Girard College, the subway and the EL, that's a major route, not a side street.

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austen's picture

What I don't understand is the ridiculous amount of redundancy.

I.e., along the market Frankford line, you have the El, subway/surface, AND buses.

codergrrl's picture

The subway only connect with the el at two spots, 8th st and city hall.

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austen's picture

But at any time you have at least two, if not more, methods of transportation running along the same streets.

TLP's picture

They serve different markets.

The trolleys branch in and follow the el for a short distance to provide access to Center City. Plus they serve as the "local" trains to 19th and 22nd.

The buses along Market branch in from North and South Philly to provide for one seat rider access.

It does get a little redundant in spots, and we'd probably be better served with more frequent buses but no direct trip along Market Street forcing you to transfer. But, Market Street is the main axis in this city... a little redundancy is necessary.

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Handicapped people do not have access to all the stops on the el or the sub. They have to access the bus routes.

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austen's picture

Valid point re: handicapped issues. But there still seems like excessive overlap.

ExUnit4's picture

Overlapping East / West in center city helps reduce transfers and moves everyone to destinations quicker. Downtown is crowded...If you eliminate the scheduled redundancy then you need the articulated buses which don't work very well on the congested streets and the circle around city hall. Septa wants to get em in,,,and get em out as fast as possible. It also allows for cross downtown transportation every few minutes during the day for tourists and businesspeople ( a good thing)

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jbette01's picture

Hey there peoples, I think we will have the Septa rep at the March FNA meeting. So you can yell at the I95 construction people and Septa in the same meeting! No seriously, please come and ask all of your questions, because lord knows I dont have the answers to all of them.

Also, if this gets Coder to come to a meeting, I may actually pass out.