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Why is it unsafe to walk down a city street without a couple of animals beating the crap out of you?

Here I sit broken hearted, paid a quarter and only farted.

stein's picture

I walk down city streets multiple times a day without a couple of animals beating the crap out of me.

If every trace of any single religion died out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again... If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again.
~Penn Jilette

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Look, I could find unnerving images of trauma victims, and post rhetorical questions all day long, to try to stir up some kind of debate. But rather than trying to assault some peoples sensibilities with this disturbing picture, try to engage us with something positive to do about it. Please.

"Je Suis Prest"

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Hows about that taxi cab driver who, for no logical reason had the ever loving poop kicked out of him because, well because it was a Sunday. It just seems that there's been a slight uptick in the amount of random and unprovoked beatings in and around this grand city of ours.

“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.” -Hitch

stein's picture

Is this the part where we all get nostalgic and wish we were still back in the 50s when all the random violence was directed towards blacks?

If every trace of any single religion died out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again... If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again.
~Penn Jilette

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KingDingAling wrote:
Hows about that taxi cab driver who, for no logical reason had the ever loving poop kicked out of him because, well because it was a Sunday. It just seems that there's been a slight uptick in the amount of random and unprovoked beatings in and around this grand city of ours.

The latest cab melee was in Mount Laurel, NJ. The kids who did that one were all arrested.

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KingDingAling's picture

There were 2 cab melee's and the one that was in Mt. Laurel certainly fits into the "around" part of my post.

“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.” -Hitch

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Mt. Laurel is not "around" Philly at all.

doyne29's picture

Why was it not safe for Shane and I to walk down Berks Street on our way home? They're questions that can never be answered. You just learn to accept that there is evil in this world and do everything in your power to change it.

Kenzo's picture

I could go on for pages Maryelise, but you've nailed it.

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Newcomer wrote:
Mt. Laurel is not "around" Philly at all.

I'm sorry Newcomer but in this case your name is proving to be true. You're such a newcomer I don't think you know exactly where you are. Mt. Laurel is about 12 miles outside of Fishtown. It's closer to Fishtown than Bustleton & Byberry. I play hockey and the Flyers Skate Zone in Pennsauken is closer than the one in NE Philly. Just because it's Jersey doesn't mean it isn't "around."

“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.” -Hitch

Kenzo's picture

I only brought up the Mt. Laurel cab thing because it's a recent cab attack similar to the ones in Center City, not trying to play off city vs. suburbs. I'm just demonstrating that this phenom isn't limited to Philadelphia.

The suburbs seem to be dealing with higher crime problems just like Philadelphia is. Is it a shock that crime levels in the city and the suburbs rise/fall in patterns that are similar? It shouldn't be.

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KingDingAling wrote:
Newcomer wrote:
Mt. Laurel is not "around" Philly at all.

I'm sorry Newcomer but in this case your name is proving to be true. You're such a newcomer I don't think you know exactly where you are. Mt. Laurel is about 12 miles outside of Fishtown. It's closer to Fishtown than Bustleton & Byberry. I play hockey and the Flyers Skate Zone in Pennsauken is closer than the one in NE Philly. Just because it's Jersey doesn't mean it isn't "around."

Right. Don't forget to include crime stats from Cherry HIll -- another part of Philly.

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Newcomer wrote:
Right. Don't forget to include crime stats from Cherry HIll -- another part of Philly.

Do you reach for your passport when you go to Wegman's?

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Kenzo wrote:
Newcomer wrote:
Right. Don't forget to include crime stats from Cherry HIll -- another part of Philly.

Do you reach for your passport when you go to Wegman's?

Has opening a Wegman's in the city been brought up since the forum has been updated?

I feel like we could really use a "Wegman's in the city" discussion.

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th wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
Newcomer wrote:
Right. Don't forget to include crime stats from Cherry HIll -- another part of Philly.

Do you reach for your passport when you go to Wegman's?

Has opening a Wegman's in the city been brought up since the forum has been updated?

I feel like we could really use a "Wegman's in the city" discussion.

First we need a convenient space to build a 140k sqft grocery store.

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Mt. Laurel's crime stats have as much to do with Philly as Camden's, or Wilmington's. Yeah we all share the same regional economy and there is the drug trade, but you might as well throw in Staten Island.

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sdm wrote:
First we need a convenient space to build a 140k sqft grocery store.

I can think of several places - it just won't happen. Wegmans would see it as debasing their brand.

th's picture

austen wrote:
sdm wrote:
First we need a convenient space to build a 140k sqft grocery store.

I can think of several places - it just won't happen. Wegmans would see it as debasing their brand.

Yea, I think they could make an "urban hypster Wegman's" on Trenton Ave in one of the old factories near Lehigh. It could be multiple floors and have easy access from 95.

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th wrote:
austen wrote:
sdm wrote:
First we need a convenient space to build a 140k sqft grocery store.

I can think of several places - it just won't happen. Wegmans would see it as debasing their brand.

Yea, I think they could make an "urban hypster Wegman's" on Trenton Ave in one of the old factories near Lehigh. It could be multiple floors and have easy access from 95.

I like that idea a lot, but like austen said, it's just not something they're going to do. My hotel down in Virginia last week was right next door to one and it was pretty great to be able to grab a beer and dinner in the grocery store and then grab any provisions I needed to take back to the hotel.

codergrrl's picture

Rope and duct tape?

"Je Suis Prest"

meredith's picture

wegman's is heaven on earth. going to the cherry hill wegman's, however, is a rather terrifying experience.

“Try to learn to let what is unfair teach you.” – David Foster Wallace

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sdm wrote:

I like that idea a lot, but like austen said, it's just not something they're going to do. My hotel down in Virginia last week was right next door to one and it was pretty great to be able to grab a beer and dinner in the grocery store and then grab any provisions I needed to take back to the hotel.

last time we went to visit a friend in phoenixville we went to the wegman's in collegeville for dinner and a beer instead of the bar. we did our grocery shopping afterwards. it was pretty great. the servers won't accept tips, i found that interesting.

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Right. There are so many things about the Wegmans that they are putting into the suburbs that would actually be difficult to accomplish, if not detrimental, to the neighborhood.

A lot of Wegmans business comes from takeout, readymade food. That would seriously hurt all of the small shops and restaurants in the area. Plus, there is NO WAY that a variance for takeout beer would be granted for an urabm store. No way, no day.

They do very very careful analysis before building new stores - urban setting just do not fit their plans.

sdm's picture

meredith wrote:
wegman's is heaven on earth. going to the cherry hill wegman's, however, is a rather terrifying experience.

How so? I do it once a month w/o issue.

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sdm wrote:
meredith wrote:
wegman's is heaven on earth. going to the cherry hill wegman's, however, is a rather terrifying experience.

How so? I do it once a month w/o issue.

horrid traffic getting there. the store was packed to the gills with people. it may have just been a bad time. i think it was sunday afternoon.

i think i like the collegeville store better. the jersey one has a separate beer and liquor building. i like being able to get food and a beer.

their asian hot food bar is insanely over priced.

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bozoloper wrote:
sdm wrote:
meredith wrote:
wegman's is heaven on earth. going to the cherry hill wegman's, however, is a rather terrifying experience.

How so? I do it once a month w/o issue.

horrid traffic getting there. the store was packed to the gills with people. it may have just been a bad time. i think it was sunday afternoon.

i think i like the collegeville store better. the jersey one has a separate beer and liquor building. i like being able to get food and a beer.

their asian hot food bar is insanely over priced.

Going grocery shopping anywhere on a Sunday afternoon is a pretty bad experience. I've found Tuesday nights to be the best for Wegman's or Friday afternoons if I can skip out on work a bit early.

Also, consider this thread officially hijacked.

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sdm wrote:

Also, consider this thread officially hijacked.

nah, i'm bringing it back. we can all rest easy tonight. there won't be any tripping drexel students for at least 3 days.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120201_High-er_education__2_Drexel_students__3_men_charged_in_LSD_case.html

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th wrote:

Yea, I think they could make an "urban hypster Wegman's" on Trenton Ave in one of the old factories near Lehigh. It could be multiple floors and have easy access from 95.

isn't that called whole foods?

I dont think we need a Wegmans, a closer TJ's would be nice

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face

sdm's picture

bozoloper wrote:
sdm wrote:

Also, consider this thread officially hijacked.

nah, i'm bringing it back. we can all rest easy tonight. there won't be any tripping drexel students for at least 3 days.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120201_High-er_education__2_Drexel_students__3_men_charged_in_LSD_case.html

I don't count West Philly as anymore a part of this city as I would Camden. They're both separated by rivers.

codergrrl's picture

That Wesley guy is exactly who you should be buying acid from.

"Je Suis Prest"

Jordan's picture

In all fairness, my cats are quite bitey. I can't even lay in my bed without a couple of animals attacking me and demanding food...

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Philadelphia, PA 19125 215.385.LAW1 (5291)
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meredith wrote:
wegman's is heaven on earth. going to the cherry hill wegman's, however, is a rather terrifying experience.

Yes. So not worth having the option of 75 thousand varieties of yogurt/mustard/peanut butter/etc. Though, if one is making a liquor and gas run at the same time, it's sometimes worth a trip over the bridge.

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lighterthief wrote:
th wrote:

Yea, I think they could make an "urban hypster Wegman's" on Trenton Ave in one of the old factories near Lehigh. It could be multiple floors and have easy access from 95.

isn't that called whole foods?

I dont think we need a Wegmans, a closer TJ's would be nice

The ONLY good thing about commuting to and from Princeton is the fact that there is a TJ's AND a Wegmans on my way on Route 1.

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Kat wrote:
The ONLY good thing about commuting to and from Princeton is the fact that there is a TJ's AND a Wegmans on my way on Route 1.

Yeah, but you have to drive on that stretch of Rte. 1, which can stink royally.

sdm's picture

I can't wait to grow up and be pretentious enough to shop at a Trader Joe's.

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It's, like, cheap?

th's picture

sdm wrote:
I can't wait to grow up and be pretentious enough to shop at a Trader Joe's.

Trader Joes is the Ikea of grocery stores. Every thing looks great and really high-end, but ...

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But what? Why is their meat so red? It kinda scares me.

"Je Suis Prest"

Kat's picture

TJ has jumbo eggs and every time I have gotten them, EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS TWO YOLKS. Seriously. Like they are from mutant chickens. I don't buy them any more. They creep me out. I do like TJs for other stuff though. Their carne asada is so good I almost cried when I ate it.

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th wrote:
Has opening a Wegman's in the city been brought up since the forum has been updated?

I feel like we could really use a "Wegman's in the city" discussion.

Meh.. wegmans schwegmans. Yea they sell a lot of stuff but 25 varieties of anything is kind of useless to me, especially when it's all rather ordinary. Wegmans is good at packaging ordinary things and making them seem high end... like 15 different kinds of Brie that suburban housewives go nutso about. And their "house label" extra virgin olive oil that they get generic and slap their label on it (Colivita, which you can buy at Thriftway, is much better quality). I guess their breads are decent but nothing you can't get equal or better quality anywhere on 9th St. Maybe if they sold stuff like quality Iberico Jamon from Spain or house made sausage rather than 10 varieties of cryovac soprasatta made in a NY factory I'd get excited. If they sold some interesting mushrooms like oyster, porcini, morels I might make a special trip. If I want fresh washed rind cheeses like epoisses, winnemere or red hawk I'm going straight to DiBruno's.

Maybe they're not convenient boring one-stop shopping but places in the city like Claudios, D'Angelos, asian supermarkets, farmers markets, greensgrow and even Whole Foods/Trader Joes make it easy to stay away from wegmans. I like making the rounds at these places before a good dinner party. People in the city that understand better ingredients aren't fooled by wegmans. Maybe that’s why they don’t open here.

there. happy?

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Atomic Larry wrote:
If they sold some interesting mushrooms like oyster, porcini, morels I might make a special trip.

i'm almost certain they do. could have sworn i saw iberico ham, as well. might be wrong on both counts.

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maybe they have oyster mushrooms. definitely not fresh porcini or morels (which are seasonal; fall) they might have serrano ham too but I doubt they carry authentic iberico. They might even have proscuitto di parma too. but again, it's all rather ordinary stuff i can find in Philly on 9th st or Reading Terminal.

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Atomic Larry wrote:
maybe they have oyster mushrooms. definitely not fresh porcini or morels (which are seasonal; fall) they might have serrano ham too but I doubt they carry authentic iberico. They might even have proscuitto di parma too. but again, it's all rather ordinary stuff i can find in Philly on 9th st or Reading Terminal.

true, i don't go out of my way for wegmans, but if i'm in the area and have to do grocery shopping it's a nice change.

on the grocery store topic, what does everyone think of the new superfresh?

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bozoloper wrote:
Atomic Larry wrote:
maybe they have oyster mushrooms. definitely not fresh porcini or morels (which are seasonal; fall) they might have serrano ham too but I doubt they carry authentic iberico. They might even have proscuitto di parma too. but again, it's all rather ordinary stuff i can find in Philly on 9th st or Reading Terminal.

true, i don't go out of my way for wegmans, but if i'm in the area and have to do grocery shopping it's a nice change.

on the grocery store topic, what does everyone think of the new superfresh?

Too overpriced to shop there on any regular basis, but that's true of all Superfresh stores.

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Now, Superfresh has 75 thousand of the exact same item. Why? Why a dozen shelves of red wine vinegar or canned stock? I do like the "International" aisle though.

Kenzo's picture

I'm regretting now ever saying the word "Wegman's" because now I hear this deafening derailment noise. Anyone else hear it?

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Kenzo wrote:
I'm regretting now ever saying the word "Wegman's" because now I hear this deafening derailment noise. Anyone else hear it?

You should have known better. I'm also a bit upset that no one from the thread police has shown up yet to scold us for hijacking our first thread of 2012.

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Atomic Larry wrote:
Maybe they're not convenient boring one-stop shopping but places in the city like Claudios, D'Angelos, asian supermarkets, farmers markets, greensgrow and even Whole Foods/Trader Joes make it easy to stay away from wegmans. I like making the rounds at these places before a good dinner party. People in the city that understand better ingredients aren't fooled by wegmans. Maybe that’s why they don’t open here.

there. happy?

THANK YOU.

The only thing impressive to me about Wegman's is beer in the store and prepared food. The beer selection in Collegeville is notable, not really much of interest in Cherry Hill despite the seperate store.

And why, for crying out loud, would I want to venture in suburbia to dodge 1000 suburban moms in their SUVs for that?

sdm's picture

jbette01 wrote:
Atomic Larry wrote:
Maybe they're not convenient boring one-stop shopping but places in the city like Claudios, D'Angelos, asian supermarkets, farmers markets, greensgrow and even Whole Foods/Trader Joes make it easy to stay away from wegmans. I like making the rounds at these places before a good dinner party. People in the city that understand better ingredients aren't fooled by wegmans. Maybe that’s why they don’t open here.

there. happy?

THANK YOU.

The only thing impressive to me about Wegman's is beer in the store and prepared food. The beer selection in Collegeville is notable, not really much of interest in Cherry Hill despite the seperate store.

And why, for crying out loud, would I want to venture in suburbia to dodge 1000 suburban moms in their SUVs for that?

How's that different from dodging idiot city drivers and their bicycling counterparts?

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Urban parents in their Priuses in the TJ/WF parking lots? Not exactly the same element.

sdm's picture

Newcomer wrote:
Urban parents in their Priuses in the TJ/WF parking lots? Not exactly the same element.

You mean that WF parking lot with enough space for about 4 cars and often has traffic backed up back out onto the street? Yeah that's great.

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Kat wrote:
lighterthief wrote:
th wrote:

Yea, I think they could make an "urban hypster Wegman's" on Trenton Ave in one of the old factories near Lehigh. It could be multiple floors and have easy access from 95.

isn't that called whole foods?

yes, working in NJ has benefits.. i pass moore brothers on my way home... and i'm on their mailing list.. bad. A while since i had time to take lunch and spend my check over in cherry hill

I dont think we need a Wegmans, a closer TJ's would be nice

The ONLY good thing about commuting to and from Princeton is the fact that there is a TJ's AND a Wegmans on my way on Route 1.

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face

codergrrl's picture

I just want to live across the street from the Reading Terminal. Its a wish in life to actually be able to buy fresh ingredients for dinner every night.
Just walk the aisle, see what looks good, and presto...thats dinner.
'sigh'

"Je Suis Prest"

Leo's picture

Trader Joe's is 80% junk food.

Worth buying there: pizza dough; coffee; kefir; yoghurt; fizzy water; some cured meats and cheeses; some salsa; frozen veg.

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215.385.LAW1 (5291)

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Leo wrote:
Trader Joe's is 80% junk food.

Worth buying there: pizza dough; coffee; kefir; yoghurt; fizzy water; some cured meats and cheeses; some salsa; frozen veg.

their unsweetened vanilla almond milk is delicious, as are their sesame rice crackers and seeded rye flatbreads.

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Cutter's picture

Also, those frozen blocks of fish filets. Properly thawed, it's pretty good stuff.

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Why are flash mobs in Philly so violent? There are thousands of flash mobs around the world that are fun and nobody gets hurt. It just seems like the mobs in Philly are just so nasty.

Here I sit broken hearted, paid a quarter and only farted.

sdm's picture

floppysoles wrote:
Why are flash mobs in Philly so violent? There are thousands of flash mobs around the world that are fun and nobody gets hurt. It just seems like the mobs in Philly are just so nasty.

Philly doesn't have flash mobs, it has packs of wild animals.

Atomic Larry's picture

buzzkill....

steveeboy's picture

nothing better than getting stuck behind two yup breeders with their 700$ baby stroller in the coffee aisle at wegman's while they stand there for 15 minutes trying to decide which flavored organic fair trade coffee to purchase.
PORT RICHMOND SHOP RITE 4 LIFE!
or
Thriftway if my GF took the car...

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steveeboy wrote:
nothing better than getting stuck behind two yup breeders with their 700$ baby stroller in the coffee aisle at wegman's while they stand there for 15 minutes trying to decide which flavored organic fair trade coffee to purchase.
PORT RICHMOND SHOP RITE 4 LIFE!
or
Thriftway if my GF took the car...

OMG! You are SO anti-establishment/yuppie/breeders...and SOOOOO cool because of it!

*dramatic eye roll*

Kenzo's picture

I've done the Save-A-Lot and Wegman's on the same shopping trip. Surprisingly I've saved quite a bit of money that way. Generic staples at the SAL, and then Wegman's store brand/generics.

Creamed corn in a can is creamed corn in a can no matter where you get it. So is peanut oil, etc...

The only time I really get picky and foo-foo about something at a grocery store is when I buy fish. Then I actually care where it came from, how it was raised, blah blah blah.

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Kenzo wrote:
The only time I really get picky and foo-foo about something at a grocery store is when I buy fish. Then I actually care where it came from, how it was raised, blah blah blah.

Was it's name Colin? smiley

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JedicusMaximus wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
The only time I really get picky and foo-foo about something at a grocery store is when I buy fish. Then I actually care where it came from, how it was raised, blah blah blah.

Was it's name Colin? smiley

Sheamus.

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Kenzo wrote:
JedicusMaximus wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
The only time I really get picky and foo-foo about something at a grocery store is when I buy fish. Then I actually care where it came from, how it was raised, blah blah blah.

Was it's name Colin? smiley

Sheamus.

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I heard a rumor that Silverstein's is going to reopen at Frankford and Dauphin and give Wegman's a run for the money.

Here I sit broken hearted, paid a quarter and only farted.