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Off Duty cop shooting in P.R
The more you hear the more you know this off duty cop was a scumbag . The brass are circling the wagon and i smell a cover-up . The cop didnt try to break the fight up he got involved along with his son . Top cops are saying they dont know if he called 911 but everyone knows he didnt which he is required to do . He killed that young man and should rott in prison
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I just read on
I just read on facebook..that at 2:30 the DA,s office is having a press conference about Officer Frank Tempper...hope it,s good news for the Panas Family...
Pure_Fishtown wrote:dclxvi,
i'd say from what i heard, nothing too positive at this time. from the whole situation, the tragic outcome and up to what may happen i haven't heard many people talking positively about what will happen to the officer.
plenty of cops have gotten into fights while drunk off duty & not called the police and haven't been fired. i may have to go back and reread the article but i'm not sure if it was ever said that he was involved in the fight in the first place but that he came out and intervened. granted, they're probably looking really hard at everything he did & did not do during this incident, which could lead to his being fired.
My uncle is a captain down
My uncle is a captain down headquaters and That came directly from him . Being drunk and getting involved into a fight is against police policy and the office can be fired .
dclxvi, I'm curious as to
dclxvi, I'm curious as to what the men and women in blue are saying. Would you be able to give us some overall feelings as to what is being said.
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boylek512 wrote:He was DRUNK
I wouldn't count on him losing his job because he was drunk and didn't call 911. there is no directive against him drinking while in off-duty status. and the directive says when warranted, the officer must call 911 before taking any action but it doesn't mean he HAS to call 911 before taking any action. but i'm sure the dept will be looking into many of his actions during this & previous incidents. He'll lose his job when they find other directives that he violated - right now, that video of him firing a gun on the street at a oppossum back in 96 is one thing they could hang him on alone - though charges couldn't be filed because of statute of limitations, the dept could surely fire him for that offense (though i've heard rumor that he's claiming it was a starter pistol he was firing).
and whenever any officer is arrested, they always keep them away from general population for their safety. they do the same thing with people accussed of killing an officer, child molesters, serial killers, etc etc...
He was DRUNK and DIDNT call
He was DRUNK and DIDNT call 911 , jusst on those two things alone he could lose his job . This scumbag is going down its just a matter of time . Oh when he does get locked up he will last because he will be in lockdown nowhere near general population
The last 2 posts say what I
The last 2 posts say what I wanted to but couldn't figure out how. Of course police are different because their job puts them in a special place where they are given way more latitude and extra powers when dealing with everyone else.
With that power comes a lot more oversight and scrutiny than they may like but it's to protect the rest of us from the very few who do abuse power. The police and media seem to be all over this and I think we should wait and see what the investigation uncovers. (not that I blindly believe all investigations)
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dclxvi wrote: well there is
Before I even read this post, I was going to say that I'd bet that throwing this guy into lockup would cause a riot. Everyone would want a piece of him. I don't think he'd last more than a few days. I'm sure that some people would be okay with that, but I'd rather see justice played out in the court room, rather than in the hallway of a jail.
i believe that in PA, though there are legitimate self-defense claims when in a situation like this, the civilian is usually arrested and has to prove through a court of law that he did indeed have the right to use the force that he did to stop the actions of the doer. And very often civilians acting in self-defense, when proven after a lengthy investigation, are never charged... perfect example was in Bensalem at the Wawa on the blvd... a male who was licensed to carry left a wawa, was approached by 4 young males, felt threatened & fired his weapon, striking one of the males - killing him. This civilian was never arrested & the DAs office cleared him with no charges.
Weeeeeeell, sorta...if I remember correctly from my bar class, the law in most states is that self-defense can be a defense if you can prove that your life was in danger and that you had no where to run. So, in essence, it's ok to use deadly force to combat deadly force. You can't just say that you "felt threatened." I think alot of times, these cases end up the way they do because the killer/defendant was a middle class dude and the victims/attackers were lower income people (race is irrelevant), so it's assumed that they would be threatening. And it's fairly obvious that the criminal justice system favors those with more money over those with less.
But I digress...I think that Officer Tepper should be prosecuted, but that it should be up to judge and jury to decide his fate, not a bunch of cop-hating criminals in lockup. It's probably a better idea to keep him out of jail, for now, but make sure he's held responsible for what he did. Just my opinion.
Larry99 wrote: I'm wondering
well there is a difference when it comes to police & civilian.
i'm not involved in this job in anyway but i can guarantee the officer involved in this case is stating he was taking police action, and there were witnesses cited in the original DN article that said the cop did identify himself as an officer prior to the shooting. There are also those saying he didn't... when an officer takes action, especially that in which deadly force is used, it is assumed that he is taking those actions in a lawful way and in performance of his duties (on or off-duty - an officer is actually considered on duty 24hrs a day and never truly in "off-duty" status as they are required to provide protection of the law and citizens at all times).
if those rules weren't in place, whenever an officer on-duty takes action that would result in a death, whether wrong or right, he would be placed under arrest & charged with murder. perfect example is the male who killed 4 officers in the seattle area - he was killed last night by an officer who observed him during a stolen vehicle investigation. that officer could be charged with the murder simply because that's what it is, but if you did that - what would make any person want to put their lives on the line and not be able to defend it themselves?
i believe that in PA, though there are legitimate self-defense claims when in a situation like this, the civilian is usually arrested and has to prove through a court of law that he did indeed have the right to use the force that he did to stop the actions of the doer. And very often civilians acting in self-defense, when proven after a lengthy investigation, are never charged... perfect example was in Bensalem at the Wawa on the blvd... a male who was licensed to carry left a wawa, was approached by 4 young males, felt threatened & fired his weapon, striking one of the males - killing him. This civilian was never arrested & the DAs office cleared him with no charges.
dclxvi wrote:but one thing
I also agree that the police are not covering anything up. However, the media latched on to this right from the start and began asking questions so quickly that there was really no time for a cover up. Not to say they would have, but there are alot of questions regarding their actions, you can't really fault the general public from thinking that.
I'm wondering if this guy were a civilian and not a cop, if he would have been offered the same treatment. More than likely he would have been arrested on the spot and held on bail pending an investigation. Why is he in hiding and getting police protection? Shouldn't he be in jail just like anyone else? There seems to be a double standard. If I'm off base can someone please explain the normal protocol for arresting a criminal suspect?