SEPTA contingency plans - carpool?

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Hopefully SEPTA's union and management will reach an agreement before the midnight, October 31st deadline, but just in case...

Are there any Fishtowners out there who work in the University City area and would be interested in a car pool?

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To funny.Your statement

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To funny.Your statement about living these things.Recently a few of my friends and I were rehashing some of the things that happened during our lives.We came to a conclusive decision not to repeat some of these stories as people would really believe we were either mental or fabricators.(lol)Our parents would go shopping and while they were gone we were NOT allowed to answer the door nor open our shades.The door had to remain locked at all times during a time when no one locked their doors.This is one of my memories of Teamsters 107 union days.

The union contract I read

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The union contract I read belonged to a state employee.I tried to encourage him to file a grievance at the International level as he was not getting any satisfaction at the local level but being a young stupid kid who lost a great job he just accepted their decision.My feelings were he had lost his job ,so by pursing this grievance he may have won his case and regained his employment

lauraska wrote:herself

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lauraska wrote:
herself wrote:
I feel the same way about unions in today's world as I have heard to many tales concerning people losing their jobs when they are covered by union contracts.Recently,I read a contract given to me by someone who lost their job and the union basically sided with the employer;after reading this information all I could say was "wow" your union kicked it's members to the curb.Once again a union is only as strong as its members.Today it appears that union leaders are eating the chicken soup while tossing the bones to their members.

My union actually negotiated for LOWER starting salaries for its members, the year I started my job with the City of New York. The union was a branch of the Teamsters but represented all city attorneys. (Before anyone starts griping about attorneys being unionized, we worked for EXTREMELY low wages and often carried HUGE case loads, so it wasn't some cush job.) A new contract was negoitiated the summer I graduated from law school, which affected the class of attorneys that I was joining in the Fall. As a result, new attorneys would start at a salary that was almost $3K LOWER than the class before us. They couldn't even get terms that would allow us to start at the SAME salary?? The new contract also lowered raise percentages, increased benefits payments, and made it so that the city could require that all overtime be paid in personal days, instead of actual overtime pay. So my first introduction to "my" union was that it wasn't negotiating for ME at all. I support the idea of a union that fights for its members, but at this point, the TWU isn't doing any good for its members at all.


This is exactly the point I'm trying to make about today's unions;especially when pertaining to government employees

In this city I feel that our

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In this city I feel that our public transportation,utility and cable suppliers appear to be a monopoly.My understanding of the anti -trust laws were that these laws were legislated to ensure fair trade and prevent corporations from forming monopolies as well as lining the pockets of those people who could provide special favors to corporations;although I will admit that I have not read up on various laws in several years but I know laws are subject to change....or are magically written off the books

herself wrote:I feel the

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herself wrote:
I feel the same way about unions in today's world as I have heard to many tales concerning people losing their jobs when they are covered by union contracts.Recently,I read a contract given to me by someone who lost their job and the union basically sided with the employer;after reading this information all I could say was "wow" your union kicked it's members to the curb.Once again a union is only as strong as its members.Today it appears that union leaders are eating the chicken soup while tossing the bones to their members.

My union actually negotiated for LOWER starting salaries for its members, the year I started my job with the City of New York. The union was a branch of the Teamsters but represented all city attorneys. (Before anyone starts griping about attorneys being unionized, we worked for EXTREMELY low wages and often carried HUGE case loads, so it wasn't some cush job.) A new contract was negoitiated the summer I graduated from law school, which affected the class of attorneys that I was joining in the Fall. As a result, new attorneys would start at a salary that was almost $3K LOWER than the class before us. They couldn't even get terms that would allow us to start at the SAME salary?? The new contract also lowered raise percentages, increased benefits payments, and made it so that the city could require that all overtime be paid in personal days, instead of actual overtime pay. So my first introduction to "my" union was that it wasn't negotiating for ME at all. I support the idea of a union that fights for its members, but at this point, the TWU isn't doing any good for its members at all.

herself wrote:Hoffa was a

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herself wrote:
Hoffa was a personable man but I feel the same ,as they were very scary days for families from both sides of the fence;especially for the young children who didn't understand the politics.

It was really scary. I remember walking down the driveway and seeing the car all shot up the first time. The bullet just missed his driver which was even scarier. I swear if I did not live these things, I would think I made them up. Nothin but drama back in the day! Oy.

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I feel the same way about

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I feel the same way about unions in today's world as I have heard to many tales concerning people losing their jobs when they are covered by union contracts.Recently,I read a contract given to me by someone who lost their job and the union basically sided with the employer;after reading this information all I could say was "wow" your union kicked it's members to the curb.Once again a union is only as strong as its members.Today it appears that union leaders are eating the chicken soup while tossing the bones to their members.

Hoffa was a personable man

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Hoffa was a personable man but I feel the same ,as they were very scary days for families from both sides of the fence;especially for the young children who didn't understand the politics.

stein wrote:this ny state

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stein wrote:
this ny state governors office of employee relations page on the taylor law doesn't mention essential at all and does say that it covers 'most' public employees. Maybe they are just using a different term than essential (i just ctrl+ )? it does say that for certain public employees (educational institutions, police, fire fighters and certain transit employees) that the legislative hearing is not a part of impasse resolution, but that is different than saying other non-essential employees can strike. as far as i can tell, they still can't.

I should be more specific. I wrote that last post in a rush. My understanding, when I worked for the City of New York and was a member of a union there, was that the law was written generally to cover all public employees, with the intention that judges would set the more specific rules for it through precedent. So far, the only city unions that have tested the law have been firemen, police, teachers, and MTA, so the courts have said that they cannot strike, but have refused to extend their rulings to cover ALL public employees. The rulings have basically said that "essential" = those unions that have tested the law, thus far. Thus, the door is still open to other public employee unions, with the caveat that they might get past a judicial decision or they might not. The decisions essentially acknowledge that the general-ness of the law could be considered unconstitutional, but that in regards to these particular unions, the interest of the public welfare outweighs such considerations. Perhaps no other groups have tested it? I sure as hell know my union didn't, despite the fact that we sometimes went more than a year without a contract...but my union sucked.

herself wrote:Unions were

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Unions were created to protect the rights of workers.We have unions to thank for the creation of labor laws as well as the eight hour work day.As far as your dad is concerned I would say he was a man who realized the purpose of a union which is to protect their members;for the most part union members did start at the bottom and work their way to the top. Reagonomics was the beginning of union busting.The systematic breakdown of unions continued through the years to the Bush administration.I came from a very strong union family as my dad was a teamster and my mom sat on the executive council of her union as well as the AFL-CIO.She also was a shop stewart in later years at her company when a new union was voted in.One thing people seem to forget is that a union is only as stong as their members;sadly,through the years many unions did not have enough members to fill their quorums yet the minute one their members had a problem they would want union representation.Today,union leaders are interested in lining their pockets as opposed to their members protected rights.Please let's not get into the days of Hoffa, or other notorious union leaders because back in the days when unions were strong they fought for what they believed in and protected their members as opposed to unions today;during that time union members lost many items including their lives to protect their rights as workers.Today companies discourage union involvement and like someone else mentioned their attitude is if you don't like your job there's the door.Several years ago I was employed by a company that fired employees for trying to bring in a union which legally this is not allowed.These employees went to the Labor Board and a few won their cases but many didn't.....you know why,no union protection ,so it boils down to without a union to protect your rights the employer has the upper hand. I totally feel that the government should not be allowed to govern as to whether union members can or cannot strike.

Funny you should mention Hoffa...I was just telling someone this story. My father owed a huge trucking company in California back in the day and he refused to go union - he treated his people fairly, good pay, etc and he did not see the need apparently. Did not sit well with Hoffa. Hoffa used to call our house to talk with my dad...weird. Apparently, he had alot of respect for my father, even though they didn't agree. Well, until his people started shooting the windows out of my dad's car on the 405, then again shooting his tires out and he had to get a bodyguard!!!

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